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The Confederate flag is 'America's swastika'
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:28 pm
"Mitt Romney stated recently that the Confederate flag was "a symbol of racial hatred" and asked that it be removed from South Carolina's capital to honor victims of Charleston's deadly church shooting. President Obama agreed with Romney and believes the Confederate flag "belongs in a museum." Even before Dylann Roof murdered nine African-Americans at a historically black church, Southern institutions had decided to part ways with this "symbol of racial hatred." According to former Ole Miss Chancellor Robert Khayat, the University of Mississippi chose to "disassociate" itself from the Confederate flag in the late 1990s and has prospered ever since:
So we decided we had to disassociate ourselves from the flag. ... Since that time, we are prospering at the university in ways that none of us could have imagined. ... Over time, people began to see that the benefit of not having that flag tied to our university, or vice versa, was far more valuable than the enjoyment that anybody received from waving that flag.
The University of South Carolina's football coach, Steve Spurrier, once stated: "I realize I'm not supposed to get in the political arena as a football coach, but if anybody were to ask me about that damn Confederate flag, I would say we need to get rid of it." In addition, the NCAA will not host March Madness tournaments in South Carolina, Mississippi or any state that flies the Confederate flag in its capitol.
There's an obvious reason why Ole Miss is "prospering" from its decision and South Carolina continues to lose NCAA tournament opportunities. Long before Roof appeared in a photo holding the Confederate flag, brandishing a weapon and espousing a manifesto, it was viewed by African-Americans and citizens throughout the nation as a symbol of racism. Although a part of Southern heritage, Pew Research found that only one in 10 Americans have a "positive reaction when they see the flag displayed" and over 40 percent of African-Americans have a negative reaction to the Confederate flag.
In reality, its symbolism is appreciated more by white Southerners than African-Americans, who are reminded of the South's history of slavery and racism when the flag is waving atop a flagpole. While some Charleston residents had a Secession Ball in 2010, others were reminded of South Carolina's declaration of secession. In 1860, South Carolina seceded from the United States because of, as the declaration said, "increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery."
To understand why NAACP President Cornell Brooks believes that "The flag has to come down," it's important to note that Southern heritage has a different meaning to African-Americans than it does to white citizens in the South. From 1619 to 1865, blacks were enslaved, their families bought and sold like cattle (children, husbands and wives were routinely torn from one another) and the Southern economy was based entirely on the slave labor of its black population. After Reconstruction, Jim Crow and a lynching epidemic so catastrophic — as detailed in Ida B. Wells's The Red Record — Southern society ran on a strict code of racial segregation. Not until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were African-Americans even able to vote in the South and even today, the Ku Klux Klan burns crosses and actively recruits members.
Considering the African-American experience, it's understandable why any reminder of slavery and segregation would evoke powerful emotions not only to victims, but also to perpetrators. When Roof told his victims that "you rape our women and you're taking over our country," it's apparent that he longed for a different time period in Southern history. A New York Times article cites the killer's motivation for the church massacre:
"I have no choice," it reads. "I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me."
Therefore, the photo of Roof posted on a white supremacist website speaks volumes, primarily because the Confederate flag in one hand and gun in the other represent a frighteningly ominous image. Like the jacket he wore in another photo with the flags of Rhodesia and apartheid-era South Africa, Roof was illustrating his belief system through emblems worn by modern-day white supremacists."
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So we decided we had to disassociate ourselves from the flag. ... Since that time, we are prospering at the university in ways that none of us could have imagined. ... Over time, people began to see that the benefit of not having that flag tied to our university, or vice versa, was far more valuable than the enjoyment that anybody received from waving that flag.
The University of South Carolina's football coach, Steve Spurrier, once stated: "I realize I'm not supposed to get in the political arena as a football coach, but if anybody were to ask me about that damn Confederate flag, I would say we need to get rid of it." In addition, the NCAA will not host March Madness tournaments in South Carolina, Mississippi or any state that flies the Confederate flag in its capitol.
There's an obvious reason why Ole Miss is "prospering" from its decision and South Carolina continues to lose NCAA tournament opportunities. Long before Roof appeared in a photo holding the Confederate flag, brandishing a weapon and espousing a manifesto, it was viewed by African-Americans and citizens throughout the nation as a symbol of racism. Although a part of Southern heritage, Pew Research found that only one in 10 Americans have a "positive reaction when they see the flag displayed" and over 40 percent of African-Americans have a negative reaction to the Confederate flag.
In reality, its symbolism is appreciated more by white Southerners than African-Americans, who are reminded of the South's history of slavery and racism when the flag is waving atop a flagpole. While some Charleston residents had a Secession Ball in 2010, others were reminded of South Carolina's declaration of secession. In 1860, South Carolina seceded from the United States because of, as the declaration said, "increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery."
To understand why NAACP President Cornell Brooks believes that "The flag has to come down," it's important to note that Southern heritage has a different meaning to African-Americans than it does to white citizens in the South. From 1619 to 1865, blacks were enslaved, their families bought and sold like cattle (children, husbands and wives were routinely torn from one another) and the Southern economy was based entirely on the slave labor of its black population. After Reconstruction, Jim Crow and a lynching epidemic so catastrophic — as detailed in Ida B. Wells's The Red Record — Southern society ran on a strict code of racial segregation. Not until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were African-Americans even able to vote in the South and even today, the Ku Klux Klan burns crosses and actively recruits members.
Considering the African-American experience, it's understandable why any reminder of slavery and segregation would evoke powerful emotions not only to victims, but also to perpetrators. When Roof told his victims that "you rape our women and you're taking over our country," it's apparent that he longed for a different time period in Southern history. A New York Times article cites the killer's motivation for the church massacre:
"I have no choice," it reads. "I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me."
Therefore, the photo of Roof posted on a white supremacist website speaks volumes, primarily because the Confederate flag in one hand and gun in the other represent a frighteningly ominous image. Like the jacket he wore in another photo with the flags of Rhodesia and apartheid-era South Africa, Roof was illustrating his belief system through emblems worn by modern-day white supremacists."
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This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:29 pm to WhiskeyPapa
The last (and only) time the U.S. had internment camps based on race was during World War II.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:30 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The last (and only) time the U.S. had internment camps based on race was during World War II.
What would you call a slave pen?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:30 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Whoop de foo
Mitt Romney is brave when he gets to agree with everybody else
Fight Obama when he has a chance to defeat him? Not so much
Mitt Romney is brave when he gets to agree with everybody else
Fight Obama when he has a chance to defeat him? Not so much
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:30 pm to WhiskeyPapa
To dumb to use the quote feature; dr
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:30 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Orange T is the SEC's pussyhat.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:30 pm to WhiskeyPapa
You know a swastika is an actual symbol, and it looks nothing like a confederate flag..take this bs elsewhere.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:33 pm to WhiskeyPapa
slavery (and all of its institutional trappings) existed and flourished under Old Glory from 1776 through 1865.
This is pure bullshite.
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The Confederate flag is 'America's swastika'
This is pure bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:38 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Personally, I used to think it was a cool looking flag, and the folks that flew it were just proud they live in the south.
It did seem a little trashy, but honest.
I, myself, never equated that flag with slavery but now, I can see the side of those who do and can understand why they don't wish to see it flown on property their tax dollars are used to maintain.
Never owned one, never flew one but still think it's a cool looking flag.
It did seem a little trashy, but honest.
I, myself, never equated that flag with slavery but now, I can see the side of those who do and can understand why they don't wish to see it flown on property their tax dollars are used to maintain.
Never owned one, never flew one but still think it's a cool looking flag.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:41 pm to udtiger
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slavery (and all of its institutional trappings) existed and flourished under Old Glory from 1776 through 1865.
Uh Oh...There you go again with those inconvenient history facts.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:42 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Good afternoon Captain Crazy.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:43 pm to BFIV
Ffs.
Is "nazi" going to be the new thing libs call literally all conservatives because "racist" has lost its luster?
Is "nazi" going to be the new thing libs call literally all conservatives because "racist" has lost its luster?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:50 pm to Vacherie Saint
Does this mean Smokey and the bandit won't come on TV anymore?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:52 pm to Vacherie Saint
Wouldn't surprise me a bit if they did. The libs and American Taliban have a very one sided view and understanding of history anyway. They have no concept of true Nazism, which is ironic considering their tactics and philosophy.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:56 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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What would you call a slave pen?
Modern day Africa.
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