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Texas looking to abolish civil asset forfeiture

Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:48 am
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:48 am
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Texas is looking to become the third state in the last year to abolish civil asset forfeiture, and replace it with criminal asset forfeiture. State Senator Konni Burton filed a bill last month which requires a felony conviction before law enforcement can gobble up someone’s property. It’s a major step in Texas’ fight for justice reform which has saved the state $3B (while crime rates are at record lows).

Civil asset forfeiture is a bit of a sticky wicket at times, because there are “tough on crime” groups fighting hard against it. The Federalist Society published a pro-asset forfeiture piece by then-federal prosecutor Stefan Cassella in 1997. Cassella called asset forfeiture very important because “federal law enforcement can employ it against all manner of criminal and criminals organizations.”

Forfeiture is also used to abate nuisances and to take the instrumentalities of crime out of circulation. For example, if drug dealers are using a “crack house” to sell drugs to children as they pass by on the way to school, the building is a danger to the health and safety of the neighborhood. Under the forfeiture laws, we can shut it down. If a boat or truck is being used to smuggle illegal aliens across the border, we can forfeit the vessel or vehicle to prevent its use time and again for the same purpose. The same is true for an airplane used to fly cocaine from Peru into Southern California, or a printing press used to mint phony $100 bills.

The government also uses forfeiture to take the profit out of crime, and to return property to victims. No one has the right to retain the money gained from bribery, extortion, illegal gambling, or drug dealing. With the forfeiture laws, we can separate the criminal from his profits — and any property traceable to it — thus removing the incentive others may have to commit similar crimes tomorrow. And if the crime is one that has victims — like carjacking or fraud — we can use the forfeiture laws to recover the property and restore it to the owners far more effectively than the restitution statutes permit.


Sounds pretty compelling, right?

There’s just one problem…the asset forfeiture laws are being misapplied in cases where people who are not convicted of crimes, end up losing their property because prosecutors and police believe they “may have” been involved in/had knowledge of a crime. A Philadelphia family was forced out of their home because their son was arrested on drug charges, even though it didn’t appear they knew what the 22-year-old was doing. A Texas man had over 53-thousand dollars in cash donations for an orphanage and school seized after he was pulled over in Oklahoma.


Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:49 am to
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Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5261 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am to
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State Senator Konni Burton


A Hero.

It's a travesty that this is even a bill. Or, that it should be celebrated.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 9:52 am
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36214 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am to
That's a trend I'd like to see continue.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84849 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am to
to Texas on this
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22774 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:58 am to
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to Texas on this


I'd be shocked if the state LE agencies let this even get past committee. They tried in 2015 to, and it didn't get very far.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:01 am to
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Texas looking to abolish civil asset forfeiture


Sessions won't be happy
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20891 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:01 am to
Yeah the sheriffs and PD's will never let that pass.

Why kill the golden goose that keeps them afloat?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:11 am to
Good
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:14 am to
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Yeah the sheriffs and PD's will never let that pass.

i just want more of these bills introduced to have this lobby exposed as a lobby of thieves
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:25 am to
A step in the right direction
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:28 am to
That's good, if they still have to prove what they are taking was actually paid for or used for the crime they are convicted of.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45742 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:28 am to
All it means us there will be a shite ton of plea bargains in a money grab by prosecutors and a lit of arrests on BS charges with little actual evidence.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:29 am to
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:52 am to
Lots of DA and Sheriff pressure to kill any attempt in LA to do away with this because of the cars and cash.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:52 am to
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Lots of DA and Sheriff pressure to kill any attempt in LA to do away with this because of the cars and cash
yeah i can't wait until a similar bill comes up in LA b/c I will speak out

this doesn't eliminate forfeiture of convicted criminals, so teir argument is utter bullshite
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
12654 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:56 am to
How is this legal? Supreme Court ruled on this? This is just government theft even if a court ruled to allow it. The king of England would be proud. I would be for impeaching any federal official who thinks this is OK. The standard should be needs a conviction
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 10:58 am
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34647 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:38 am to
One state at a time, if that's the way it has to be.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22079 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:25 pm to
Nice. Let's be honest - civil asset forfeiture is nothing more than a license to steal, period.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79069 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:35 pm to
Probably a dumb question, but civil asset forfeiture has been a hot topic on this board for quite some time....anyone have some good links I could read about why it's such a terrible thing? Sure there are overzealous police departments that would love to seize your new Bentley and convert it to a cop car, but what else? TIA
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