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Tensions Are High Between Spain and Catalonia
Posted on 9/30/17 at 8:37 am
Posted on 9/30/17 at 8:37 am
Ahead of the Catalan Independence Referendum. The level of tension between the two hasn't been this high since the Franco regime. How will this be resolved if Catalans vote yes?
The Intercept - Catalonia Referendum
The Intercept - Catalonia Referendum
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 9:43 am to SCLibertarian
Can someone give me a primer on the situation? Why do some Catalonians want to separate?
Posted on 9/30/17 at 9:51 am to Jimbeaux
Why?
1. Identity politics. Language.
2. Barcelonans think they would piss less tax $$ away than the central authorities. The economy is robust.
3. Before the fascists, they were autonomous. Good old days. In comparison the central authority has struggled.
4. Freedom.
1. Identity politics. Language.
2. Barcelonans think they would piss less tax $$ away than the central authorities. The economy is robust.
3. Before the fascists, they were autonomous. Good old days. In comparison the central authority has struggled.
4. Freedom.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:01 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Please tell me why we (the United States) should care one way or the other. Thanks.
Tensions Are High Between Spain and Catalonia
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:05 am to SCLibertarian
I support the Catalans
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:09 am to Jimbeaux
quote:
Why do some Catalonians want to separate?
The short version, they are better off economically and think the rest of the country is a bane on them.
At least this is how I heard it when I was over there a few months ago.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:10 am to Jimbeaux
The War of Spanish Succession laid the foundation for the discord. Charles II was the last Habsburg King of Spain. He appointed Philip, who was the grandson of Louis XIV of France and second son of the French Dauphin, as his successor. The Crown of Aragon, which included Barcelona, revolted against Philip, while the Crown of Castile, which included the Spanish capital of Madrid, supported Philip. Relations between the two have never recovered since the early 18th century.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:11 am to rintintin
So Spain is Baton Rouge and Catalonia is St. George, got it.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:12 am to SCLibertarian
I think people are underestimating how easily this could become a legit civil war..
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:12 am to SCLibertarian
I need to stop going to Europe, apparently. I was in London the week after Brexit and will be in Barcelona shortly after this referendum.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:23 am to SCLibertarian
I don't think they'll be able to carry out the vote.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:29 am to rintintin
True. That region is affluent and urban for the most part. Southern spain is less affluent and the catalonians dont want to have to support the rest of the country. Also, they have never really considered themselves spaniards. Whatever, barcelona is an unique upbeat progressive city. Great city to visit.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:30 am to LSURussian
quote:
Please tell me why we (the United States) should care one way or the other. Thanks.
Because this exact same thing will happen in the US southwest very soon. We need to start thinking about how to handle this ourselves.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:47 am to RedStickBR
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I need to stop going to Europe, apparently. I was in London the week after Brexit and will be in Barcelona shortly after this referendum.
Go to St. George and maybe they will be free too.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:56 am to CoachChappy
Now that's a good idea
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:57 am to Lima Whiskey
The central gov in Spain has already said it's not a valid referendum, but if the vote comes back "Yes," Catalans may be provoked to tell them to F off.
This post was edited on 9/30/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:58 am to SCLibertarian
nothing will happen here, they'll fling a couple of olives at each other and sue for peace
Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:17 am to SCLibertarian
quote:
War of Spanish Succession laid the foundation for the discord. Charles II was the last Habsburg King of Spain. He appointed Philip, who was the grandson of Louis XIV of France and second son of the French Dauphin, as his successor. The Crown of Aragon, which included Barcelona, revolted against Philip, while the Crown of Castile, which included the Spanish capital of Madrid, supported Philip. Relations between the two have never recovered since the early 18th century.
Yep. They bet on the wrong horse.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:20 am to SCLibertarian
Background:
Independence activists are Marxist.
Spanish government, while left for the US, is relatively right wing for Western Europe.
Catalans want a socialist state.
There you go.
Independence activists are Marxist.
Spanish government, while left for the US, is relatively right wing for Western Europe.
Catalans want a socialist state.
There you go.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:34 am to SCLibertarian
Bump.
Holy shite have y’all seen the videos surfacing. Wikileaks is posting them. Government officials in masks ripping voting boxes at booths. Military police beating civilians and stopping voters by any means necessary. How the hell is the UN or USA not responding to this?
Holy shite have y’all seen the videos surfacing. Wikileaks is posting them. Government officials in masks ripping voting boxes at booths. Military police beating civilians and stopping voters by any means necessary. How the hell is the UN or USA not responding to this?
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