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re: Stolen from OT. St George submits petition.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:30 pm to doubleb
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:30 pm to doubleb
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more transparency is needed so taxpayers can see where their money is going.
Baton Rouge is possibly the most transparent and well accounted for government in the state. The irony of your statement is that they want to do the exact opposite with St. George. Most of the spending will be given to CH2mhill in the form of a large contract and there will be very little accountability in terms of preventing nepotism and political favors.
When Central and Bodi White contracted out to CH2mhill, some well connected people were getting free construction done at their homes, driveways done, culverts, shops built, etc and it was all fine and dandy because CH2mhill is private and their finances are private. They were subbing out work to politically connected contractors, like Rebel Electric which was owned by the son of a state legislator. They refused to show where they spent money.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:37 pm to Asgard Device
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(Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:26 pm to johnnyrocket)
quote:Truer words have never been posted on TigerDroppings.com.
Wow. You're a fool.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:40 pm to Asgard Device
quote:Speaking of that, if the petition is validated and the initiative gets placed on the ballot, the SG committee will then be required to file financial reports with the state showing where their money is being spent.
The irony of your statement is that they want to do the exact opposite with St. George.
That might be very interesting.....
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:08 pm to Asgard Device
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Baton Rouge is possibly the most transparent and well accounted for government in the state.
So tell me when I write my check and send it to the Assessor's office where do the dollars go?
I live outside of the city, but am I paying for the BRFD, City Police, the Constable's Office, and other services not given to me because I live outside of the city?
Also I'd like to know that people in the city are paying for all parish services. I pay for the District Courts (as I should) are they?
Its questions like this that I would like easily answered.
And I do not disagree, EBR is on sound financial footing, and our bond rating is excellent.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:09 pm to LSURussian
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That might be very interesting.....
I doubt it.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:11 pm to doubleb
quote:Nowhere since you don't write any checks to the Assessor's office.
So tell me when I write my check and send it to the Assessor's office where do the dollars go?
quote:I stopped after your first easily answered question.
Its questions like this that I would like easily answered.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:31 pm to LSURussian
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So tell me when I write my check and send it to the Sheriff's office where do the dollars go
FIFM
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:11 pm to doubleb
quote:Per the 2014 budget, the cost to provide services that are exclusive to Baton Rouge is $159.4 million while the revenue generated by the city of Baton Rouge is $176.2 million. That leaves Baton Rouge contributing $16.8 million to fund the costs of services benefitting the entire parish. The costs of those services is $193.7 million.
I live outside of the city, but am I paying for the BRFD, City Police, the Constable's Office, and other services not given to me because I live outside of the city?
I think it is safe to conclude that the residents of Baton Rouge derive more than 8.67% of the benefit from parishwide services that they contribute to the costs.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:46 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:If I had written a similar paragraph I would have a half dozen replies by now demanding I provide a link, including the page numbers in the link where they could confirm what I wrote.
Per the 2014 budget, the cost to provide services that are exclusive to Baton Rouge is $159.4 million while the revenue generated by the city of Baton Rouge is $176.2 million. That leaves Baton Rouge contributing $16.8 million to fund the costs of services benefitting the entire parish. The costs of those services is $193.7 million.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:56 pm to Poodlebrain
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Per the 2014 budget, the cost to provide services that are exclusive to Baton Rouge is $159.4 million while the revenue generated by the city of Baton Rouge is $176.2 million. That leaves Baton Rouge contributing $16.8 million to fund the costs of services benefitting the entire parish. The costs of those services is $193.7 million.
I think it is safe to conclude that the residents of Baton Rouge derive more than 8.67% of the benefit from parishwide services that they contribute to the costs.
So what would be a fair amount for the city to contribute?
Let us know so we can annex enough to make that contribution.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:32 pm to Poodlebrain
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Per the 2014 budget, the cost to provide services that are exclusive to Baton Rouge is $159.4 million while the revenue generated by the city of Baton Rouge is $176.2 million. That leaves Baton Rouge contributing $16.8 million to fund the costs of services benefitting the entire parish. The costs of those services is $193.7 million.
BR should pay for services exclusive to them, right? And the entire parish should share in services required for the entire parish, right?
So if BR has half the population of the entire parish(approx.) you would think they would pay more than 16.8 million dollars for parish services that total 193 million dollars.
I think something is out of whack here provided your numbers are correct.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:37 pm to BigJim
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So what would be a fair amount for the city to contribute?
The city should pay all of the BRPD, BRFD, City Constable, etc.
The parish should pay for parish wide services as best they are able. Prosperous areas pay more than blighted ones. Higher income families spend more than lower income families. I have no problem with that.
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Let us know so we can annex enough to make that contribution.
Mary Olive is working on that now, pro bono of course; but seriously, BR hasn't taken care of their business in years.
They let Towne Center and areas closer to Mid City slide, yet get full benefits. Then they wake up and realize their mistake because of SG, and they are trying to play catch up.
IMHO, they should have annexed lands years ago, and we wouldn't have all this fighting about who or what goes where.
JMHO
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:41 pm to LSURussian
Pages 339-341 LINK $159.4 million is the sum of all uses allocated 100% to the city in the first column. The $176.2 million comes straight from the budget. The $193.7 million comes from the total uses minus the Baton Rouge exclusive uses.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:59 pm to doubleb
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They let Towne Center and areas closer to Mid City slide, yet get full benefits. Then they wake up and realize their mistake because of SG, and they are trying to play catch up.
IMHO, they should have annexed lands years ago, and we wouldn't have all this fighting about who or what goes where.
JMHO
In what ways did they let it slide? They didn't annex it because it meant higher taxes. The property owners didn't care, and the city didn't care since it was moving around the money anyway.
All the St. George movement did was cause taxes to go up.
Now, yes if they has annexed before, it would not be an issue now. But why would they have done that if everyone was OK with the situation?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:03 pm to doubleb
It should be evident that the taxes generated outside the city of Baton Rouge are being used to benefit the residents of Baton Rouge to a much greater extent than the taxes generated within Baton Rouge are being used to benefit those living outside Baton Rouge. Unless the residents of Baton Rouge use common services at a much lower rate than non-residents of Baton Rouge. And we know that is just not the case.
Just the DPW spends more than $16.8 million for services inside of Baton Rouge. The DPW plans to spend $47.3 million in 2014. If the spending is allocated per capita, then the spending inside Baton Rouge will be greater than 50% since Baton Rouge residents make up greater than 50% of the parish population.
Just the DPW spends more than $16.8 million for services inside of Baton Rouge. The DPW plans to spend $47.3 million in 2014. If the spending is allocated per capita, then the spending inside Baton Rouge will be greater than 50% since Baton Rouge residents make up greater than 50% of the parish population.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:09 pm to Poodlebrain
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It should be evident that the taxes generated outside the city of Baton Rouge are being used to benefit the residents of Baton Rouge to a much greater extent than the taxes generated within Baton Rouge are being used to benefit those living outside Baton Rouge. Unless the residents of Baton Rouge use common services at a much lower rate than non-residents of Baton Rouge. And we know that is just not the case.
Just the DPW spends more than $16.8 million for services inside of Baton Rouge. The DPW plans to spend $47.3 million in 2014. If the spending is allocated per capita, then the spending inside Baton Rouge will be greater than 50% since Baton Rouge residents make up greater than 50% of the parish population
But the city-limits were artificially constrained. Since the city, for most part, got the benefit of the funds outside the city limits, there was no need to annex. If you want things to be (mostly) equitable, then the city can just annex the revenue producers and "ta-dah!" your concern goes away.
The only negative by-product is higher taxes, but some of that is balanced against a better fire rating.
There is no unfairness in the current system. Only if you really think the revenue generated by the Mall and the casino "belong" to St. George/the parish in some existential sense is there any unfairness at all.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:06 pm to BigJim
The unfairness is non city taxes going to city services and are you sure this isn't happening.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:12 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:Do more people commute from the city out to the parish for work or is it the other way around?
It should be evident that the taxes generated outside the city of Baton Rouge are being used to benefit the residents of Baton Rouge to a much greater extent than the taxes generated within Baton Rouge are being used to benefit those living outside Baton Rouge.
Should the city set up toll booths for those commuters coming into the city from the parish to work every day?
Do you see how silly and parochial your entire argument is?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:17 pm to BigJim
The total amount of tax revenue collected by the city and parish will not change. The annexations must be beneficial to Baton Rouge or they would not be approved. If Baton Rouge benefits, then who suffers? It's as simple as that unless you are going to argue that the same amount of money is going to be spent so much more wisely that it will benefit everyone. And I don't think anyone is going to make that argument.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 7:00 pm to doubleb
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Posted by doubleb
The unfairness is non city taxes going to city services and are you sure this isn't happening.
This is ludicrous.
The whole parish pays for police protection and the whole parish receives police protection.
Do people in unincorporated areas pay more for police protection? No. Do they pay double? Hell no.
Do people in unincorporated areas get less police protection? No. If anything people in the unincorporated areas were getting a better deal because they don't have to pay the BRPD tax. When the police forces are consolidated it would be the same except taxes in city-proper would go down.
Of course, you guys will seek to bust that up.
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