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re: ST. George WINS Incorporation is a reality!
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:43 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:43 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
Wrong again
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:44 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
The City will be funded through sales tax revenue, and the schools through property taxes. Try to keep up
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:45 pm to udtiger
Pretty sure the parish was supposed to budget from 2019 to present based on StG either existing or not existing.
Those numbers are either so bad they are hiding them or they don’t exist. And given how the state treats taxpayers who don’t turn in taxes (estimates based on past history), BR could end up paying more than they intended if they can’t show evidence of those budgets.
Those numbers are either so bad they are hiding them or they don’t exist. And given how the state treats taxpayers who don’t turn in taxes (estimates based on past history), BR could end up paying more than they intended if they can’t show evidence of those budgets.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:45 pm to Wiseguy
Yep her house is solidly in the City of St. George
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:45 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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It's weird to see folks one day talk about cutting spending and smaller government, and then the very next day championing more government and higher taxes.
Who is advocating for more government?
StG supporters are advocating for local and effective government, which they do not have currently.
If they choose to pay more money for better and localized services, that is entirely their prerogative. And there is nothing violative of conservative principles about it. Localized government is a conservative principle--throwing away 100% of tax dollars to a larger government that does nothing with it is not conservative.
"Higher taxes" in a vacuum is neither a conservative nor liberal principle. What the taxes are used for matters.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:49 pm to Indefatigable
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Who is advocating for more government?
Literally everyone who voted in favor of incorporation. Newly incorporated city = one more municipality, one more school board, one more city court, one more city council, one more mayor, more legacy costs for teachers ... all of that is more government to be funded with more taxes.
You can pretzel logic twist it to mean "better and localized," but it doesn't mean that more government isn't being created.
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"Higher taxes" in a vacuum is neither a conservative nor liberal principle.
I've literally seen it all. I expect to see pigs flying, tomorrow.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:50 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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The incorporators pulled a complete bait and switch on the folks who voted in favor of incorporation.
No they didn't. Everyone, and I do mean literally everyone, in favor of StG voted that way in full knowledge that incorporation meant higher taxes to fund the new city. The difference being that those taxes will actually be used in the community as opposed to being wasted elsewhere.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:51 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Newly incorporated city = one more municipality, one more school board, one more city court, one more city council, one more mayor, more legacy costs for teachers ... all of that is more government to be funded with more taxes.
It is not "more" government. It is "different government".
StG will not be added on top of EBR's institutions in those areas. It replaces them.
Just be honest, you either are or work for Richard Lipsey. Right?
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:51 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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I'd love to see this newly formed government run a city of almost 90,000 people with a budget of $48 million (that doesn't include the formation of an entire school system, a city government, or a city court, along with any legacy costs they're going to be responsible for paying).
You need to shut up and watch because you don’t know what you are talking about.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:53 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Yep her house is solidly in the City of St. George
I’ll help her pack if she wants. She’s one arrogant know it all who got crushed in a court of law.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:53 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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You can pretzel logic twist it to mean "better and localized," but it doesn't mean that more government isn't being created.
Why the frick would anyone not want better government?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:53 pm to teke184
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Those numbers are either so bad they are hiding them or they don’t exist. And given how the state treats taxpayers who don’t turn in taxes (estimates based on past history), BR could end up paying more than they intended if they can’t show evidence of those budgets
I wouldn't be surprised to see EBR/City to eat legacy costs to avoid the shitshow.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:54 pm to doubleb
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I’ll help her pack if she wants. She’s one arrogant know it all who got crushed in a court of law.
I hope all the people she convinced to request annexation after the petition drive started sue her arse when they are nullified.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:55 pm to udtiger
I’d agree except that I don’t think there will be enough legacy costs to offset all the revenue in question.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:56 pm to doubleb
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You need to shut up and watch because you don’t know what you are talking about.
Having prior experience in municipal government budgets, I know EXACTLY what the end result of any new incorporation effort will be. When the new city council proposes a new millage because it suddenly realizes that it doesn't have enough funding to meet its recurring budget obligations, I want everyone within this thread to come back and tell me that I am wrong.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:59 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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CreoleTigerEsq
I am so happy this decision upsets you.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:59 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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When the new city council proposes a new millage because it suddenly realizes that it doesn't have enough funding to meet its recurring budget obligations, I want everyone within this thread to come back and tell me that I am wrong.
The thing is, absolutely no one is telling you that you are wrong that the taxes will be higher.
Everyone already knows that. They are willing to pay more for their tax dollars to actually be spent on them as opposed to being dumped into the open pit of the City-Parish general fund.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 4:08 pm to udtiger
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You do realize that the City/Parish was required to put all tax monies that would have been St. George's into escrow since the filing of the notification of the petition. So the City will not be going from a standing start. It will have a shitton of $ to start with.
Are you sure that's true?
I thought the city-parish was successful in stopping that (but that's only a vague recollection).
Posted on 4/26/24 at 4:09 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Literally everyone who voted in favor of incorporation. Newly incorporated city = one more municipality, one more school board, one more city court, one more city council, one more mayor, more legacy costs for teachers ... all of that is more government to be funded with more taxes.
Are you seriously an attorney? Using your logic, why don't we say F it and all be ruled under the United States Federal Govt? What could go wrong?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 4:11 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
St. George should look to St. Louis as a guide. The inner city of St. Louis is your typical Democrat run pig sty, but the county is full of small incorporated towns--Ladue, Clayton, etc. These towns are beautiful and beautifully run.
The tax burden is much less there because everyone contributes. You don't have the hangers on laying on your leg soaking up the public largesse. The city governments do less and do it better. They provide basic services and avoid the libtard BS that Baton Rouge and St. Louis city are saddled with. St. George, if well managed, can be every bit as nice and well run as those small towns that operate independently in St. Louis county.
The tax burden is much less there because everyone contributes. You don't have the hangers on laying on your leg soaking up the public largesse. The city governments do less and do it better. They provide basic services and avoid the libtard BS that Baton Rouge and St. Louis city are saddled with. St. George, if well managed, can be every bit as nice and well run as those small towns that operate independently in St. Louis county.
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