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Something that never gets talked about in regards to the American Healthcare system:
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:36 pm
The absolute gluttony and ridiculously unhealthy lifestyle of millions of Americans.
I'm not bitching about ration size or soft drinks or any of that. The government's job isn't to regulate coke sizes or tell you how much you can drink.
But my goodness, people are killing themselves slowly everyday with the things they eat/drink and ZERO exercise.
These excess and reckless habits place a burden on our healthcare system.
What can we do to change this?
I'm not bitching about ration size or soft drinks or any of that. The government's job isn't to regulate coke sizes or tell you how much you can drink.
But my goodness, people are killing themselves slowly everyday with the things they eat/drink and ZERO exercise.
These excess and reckless habits place a burden on our healthcare system.
What can we do to change this?
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to 225bred
Round up all the fatties and put them in Fat Camp.
Granted it will probably take a state or two in size for the camp.
Granted it will probably take a state or two in size for the camp.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to 225bred
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These excess and reckless habits place a burden on our healthcare system.
What can we do to change this?
If only health insurers could calculate heath insurance premiums based on such factors...
Oh, wait...they could before Obamacare.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to 225bred
And when some local government takes a market approach to this problem, like taxing plus sized soft drinks, the so called conservatives go ape shite.
And then bitch about the stupid people who buy plus sized soft drinks.
I agree that lifestyle and availability of stuff that is dragging people's health down should be addressed, but it's harder to take away biggie fries than to take away guns.
And then bitch about the stupid people who buy plus sized soft drinks.
I agree that lifestyle and availability of stuff that is dragging people's health down should be addressed, but it's harder to take away biggie fries than to take away guns.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to 225bred
Indeed. Travel abroad and you quickly realize how ridiculous portion sizes are at American eating establishments. American diets are also carb and sugar heavy.
I try not to get too preachy, but I recently made drastic diet changes, cutting out a ton of sugar and carbs from my diet. It is amazing how much better I feel, how much less my body needs to eat on a daily basis. Recently had my physical with blood work and my doctor said it's the healthiest he's seen me in the 15 years I've been going to him.
I try not to get too preachy, but I recently made drastic diet changes, cutting out a ton of sugar and carbs from my diet. It is amazing how much better I feel, how much less my body needs to eat on a daily basis. Recently had my physical with blood work and my doctor said it's the healthiest he's seen me in the 15 years I've been going to him.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:42 pm to TBoy
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And when some local government takes a market approach to this problem, like taxing plus sized soft drinks, the so called conservatives go ape shite.
I am diametrically opposed to discourage something by taxing it. I don't see this as needing a market-based solution.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:43 pm to The Spleen
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Indeed. Travel abroad and you quickly realize how ridiculous portion sizes are at American eating establishments. American diets are also carb and sugar heavy.
To be fair, Italian and German diets are carb heavy as well. But you're spot on about the sugar. I actually cannot stand most american sweets. I grew up eating my grandmother's baking, and being from Germany she used much less sugar.
Not to mention there isn't the massive amounts of processed foods in Europe either, and what there is just isn't eaten as much.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:43 pm to The Spleen
quote:Another big issue is that Americans drive everywhere to run errands. People only walk on the weekends.
Indeed. Travel abroad and you quickly realize how ridiculous portion sizes are at American eating establishments. American diets are also carb and sugar heavy.
In many european towns and villages, it is not uncommon to walk to the market and to shops. That is exercise.
We drive everywhere.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:45 pm to The Spleen
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Travel abroad and you quickly realize how ridiculous portion sizes are at American eating establishments. American diets are also carb and sugar heavy.
Just got back from Belgium, Amsterdam, and Germany. Meal portions were pretty damn similar
. Maybe less sugar, definitely not less carbs.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:45 pm to 225bred
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I'm not bitching about ration size or soft drinks or any of that. The government's job isn't to regulate coke sizes or tell you how much you can drink.
But my goodness, people are killing themselves slowly everyday with the things they eat/drink and ZERO exercise.
My wife bought a case of cokes for one of my kids birthday parties and we had about a 12 pack left over. The next day I saw my 16 year old son drinking one I went right over to the pantry and opened every remaining coke and poured that shite down the drain.
I don't care if other people are drinking cokes but not me or my kids (if I can help it and while they live under my roof). That shite is poison IMO.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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In many european towns and villages, it is not uncommon to walk to the market and to shops. That is exercise.
We drive everywhere.
Ya, but towns and villages there are set up to do that. Here in the US it isn't, aside from certain places in the bigger cities.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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In many european towns and villages, it is not uncommon to walk to the market and to shops. That is exercis
Good point.
My theory is that in the south/deep south here in the States, the unhealthy cuisine combined with the brutal heat leads people to eat unhealthy but it's too hot for a lot of people to do things outside that would naturally be exercise-related or physically beneficial.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:46 pm to 225bred
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The absolute gluttony and ridiculously unhealthy lifestyle of millions of Americans.
I'm not bitching about ration size or soft drinks or any of that. The government's job isn't to regulate coke sizes or tell you how much you can drink.
But my goodness, people are killing themselves slowly everyday with the things they eat/drink and ZERO exercise.
These excess and reckless habits place a burden on our healthcare system.
What can we do to change this?
I don't dis agree with you, but if you're going to traverse this rabbit hole you have to address the food industry as a whole.
Anyone who says that healthy eating is no more expensive than junk food is lying to themselves.
The "unhealthy" food industry is part of the problem and if your going to have government mandate healthy habits for citizens then they better hit the junk/processed food industry hard.
It's a problem when an apple cost $1.50 and you can get 2 cheese burgers from Mcfatasses for $.99 cents.
just say'n..
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to 225bred
Something that never gets talked about is that for every 10 years that pass, a significantly larger and larger portion of the US electorate expects the US Government to pay for everybody's healthcare, including illegal aliens.
That's why it will be tough for the GOP to get rid of Obama care -- because right now a huge portion of the electorate is looking for a Government Handout.
That's why it will be tough for the GOP to get rid of Obama care -- because right now a huge portion of the electorate is looking for a Government Handout.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to The Spleen
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Indeed. Travel abroad and you quickly realize how ridiculous portion sizes are at American eating establishments. American diets are also carb and sugar heavy.
I try not to get too preachy, but I recently made drastic diet changes, cutting out a ton of sugar and carbs from my diet. It is amazing how much better I feel, how much less my body needs to eat on a daily basis. Recently had my physical with blood work and my doctor said it's the healthiest he's seen me in the 15 years I've been going to him.
That is awesome.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to 225bred
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These excess and reckless habits place a burden on our healthcare system.
One thing I've learned from watching 'My 600 pound life' is that the big rip off is not the health care costs. It's their disability payments.
Everyone gets really sick and dies eventually. The fat just do it earlier. But not everyone stays on disability for 30 years while waiting to die at age 60.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Another big issue is that Americans drive everywhere to run errands. People only walk on the weekends.
In many european towns and villages, it is not uncommon to walk to the market and to shops. That is exercise.
We drive everywhere.
Bingo. Part out of necessity, but just general city density differences allowing it to be much simpler to walk places than here.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
My parents just travelled to Venice and Greece. My dad makes it a habit to walk 2 miles twice a day while my mom works out with a trainer. Hey both said how tired they were from all the walking because it's just what you do, me those hills are incredible for exercise
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to 225bred
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I am diametrically opposed to discourage something by taxing it. I don't see this as needing a market-based solution.
But we subsidize a ton of crops that are used to produce cheap soft drinks and fast food. So it's not a market price to begin with.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:48 pm to TBoy
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And when some local government takes a market approach to this problem, like taxing plus sized soft drinks, the so called conservatives go ape shite.
Because that's not the answer. Being able to charge them more than a healthy person for their insurance, or to outright decline them until such a time as they aren't a fatass, while at the same time allowing them to purchase a catastrophic plan in the case of a heart attack/cancer/whatever, is. Why can't we charge sicker people more... they use the resources, they should have to carry the brunt of the cost.
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