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re: So this is allegedly the repeal gameplan
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:49 am to The Spleen
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:49 am to The Spleen
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But you've been lied to by Republican leaders. Obamacare was not drafted in secret. It was not rammed through. It took nearly a year to pass it, after numerous town halls, floor debates, conference mark ups, etc.
Nope, not lied to because the next point I was going to bring up was the fact that obamacare took years to pass and appeared to be a "clownshow" with all of the machinations in its passage. This repeal and replace is only about 5 months old and you're labelling the process a clown show already. But, yes, it was cobbled together in secrecy and sold to the people deceptively. See Pelosi and Gruber.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:57 am to The Spleen
quote:Anyone who can work but doesn't try to and those people who thought education was not something they needed so they refused to prepare for supporting themselves.
How are you defining a deadbeat?
See my sig quote.....
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:58 am to The Spleen
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So, essentially the majority of these people were working. I have no problem subsidizing these people's healthcare.
With what money? We can't pay for everything. Not everyone will get the brand new everything. There has to be some sort of practicality to it or cost just become ridiculous.
The fact is not everyone can have some elite healthcare plan. We need to go back to having actual insurance. So you pay for a plan that is more geared towards risk that is not only possible for the person, but is set to cover dire circumstances. Not the common cold, small issue, or something that isn't a risk.
For some reason everyone feels they are entitle to everything regardless of cost and resources. It is insane. It just lebds to getting worse to. People should not have kids they can not afford; however, we make it easier for people to have larger families regardless of their ability to take care of them by subsidizing cost. It is called personal responsibility.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:59 am to LSURussian
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Anyone who can work but doesn't try to and those people who thought education was not something they needed so they refused to prepare for supporting themselves.
Is it your belief that these are the only people BCRA hurts? Or that it hurts them at all?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:00 am to BamaAtl
I'll answer your question when you answer mine first.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:05 am to LSURussian
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Why do you believe that other people (taxpayers) should provide health insurance to deadbeats?
Nobody has proposed a way to correctly identify your non-existent definition of 'deadbeat'. I (and most sane people) believe it's cheaper and more efficient, as well as moral and humane, to care for all of our citizens regardless of their ability to pay.
Why don't you want to care for sick children, and why do you (mistakenly) believe that only deadbeats are hurt by BCRA?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:11 am to BamaAtl
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believe it's cheaper and more efficient,
quote:OH, that's just so sweet.
as well as moral and humane,
quote:Sick children have and will continue to have availability to health services. Any attempt by you to deny those facts is just a lie. It's a lie the Dems have been using for decades along with "the other side wants to throw old people over a cliff."
Why don't you want to care for sick children,
quote:The vast majority of them are deadbeats. If a person can prove he is unable to work, there are ways for him to have medical care and that will continue.
and why do you (mistakenly) believe that only deadbeats are hurt by BCRA?
Why do I suspect you have a deep financial interest in taxpayer funded medical services for deadbeats?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:13 am to LSURussian
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Why do I suspect you have a deep financial interest in taxpayer funded medical services for deadbeats?
oh it's not even a secret at this point
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If a person can prove he is unable to work, there are ways for him to have medical care
if you don't/can't work, you get Medicaid (and did prior to the ACA)
the argument of Bama and her ilk are very specific areas
1. PECs, which is a major policy concern (that she's not addressing in this thread)
2. avoiding judging lower SES people who make bad economic choices, choose luxury items over health insurance, and then end up in binds b/c they wanted luxury over safety. she feels bad judging them b/c she feels like an elitist and above them
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:22 am to LSURussian
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Sick children have and will continue to have availability to health services
Not with block granted Medicaid.
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The vast majority of them are deadbeats
Source?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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oh it's not even a secret at this point
My salary is in no way affected by ACA repeal. But continue with your straw man.
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1. PECs, which is a major policy concern (that he's not addressing in this thread)
BCRA destroys the PEC exclusion, and the attempt to fix that with the 6-month exclusion was ripped out by the Byrd bath. What would you like to discuss?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:24 am to LSURussian
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Sick children have and will continue to have availability to health services.
well it depends on what bill passes. But if they end the medicaid expansion, sick kids will definitely not have health services.
Maybe savvy parents can get it through charity, or really sorry cases will get help from hospitals. But if you curtail medicaid, you are going to impact children.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:26 am to Iosh
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p this will basically make Obamacare worse but allow Democrats to call it Trumpcare.
quote:as the should. They should call it trumpgopincompetencecare
p this will basically make Obamacare worse but allow Democrats to call it Trumpcare.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:26 am to Colonel Flagg
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With what money? We can't pay for everything. Not everyone will get the brand new everything. There has to be some sort of practicality to it or cost just become ridiculous.
The fact is not everyone can have some elite healthcare plan. We need to go back to having actual insurance. So you pay for a plan that is more geared towards risk that is not only possible for the person, but is set to cover dire circumstances. Not the common cold, small issue, or something that isn't a risk.
For some reason everyone feels they are entitle to everything regardless of cost and resources. It is insane. It just lebds to getting worse to. People should not have kids they can not afford; however, we make it easier for people to have larger families regardless of their ability to take care of them by subsidizing cost. It is called personal responsibility.
And now you hit on the real purpose of the ACA. A third grader could look at that bill and tell it wasn't going to solve shite.
But it wasn't meant to, oh sure that's what the Dems said and say, but the bill was set to fail from the beginning
Except for one key aspect of it. The ACA convinced the vast majority of Americans that they are ENTITLED to government subsidized healthcare, and that's exactly what it's original purpose was.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:29 am to Hawkeye95
quote:A total lie. Go smoke your dope and remain ignorant.
But if they end the medicaid expansion, sick kids will definitely not have health services.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:32 am to BamaAtl
quote:Do you not have access to the internet? Do you not know how to use Google to search for the demographics of persons on welfare including medicaid?
The vast majority of them are deadbeats
Source?
Or, are you just a typical liberal who demands others do their work for them?
What financial interest do you have in having taxpayers provide for deadbeats?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:37 am to LSURussian
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A total lie. Go smoke your dope and remain ignorant.
how are they going to get medical care if they don't have coverage?
It is like 8-10M kids who are covered by CHiP, the vast majority are financed via medicaid.
eta: the repeal may not impact kids, as we dont know what they are voting on. But if they rescind medicaid expansion, it is going to impact children.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:37 am to BamaAtl
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The "principled conservatives" want to vote on a bill that fricks 32M Americans out of health insurance.
Those people don't have insurance under Obamacare, because it is a disaster just like we told asses like you before it was rammed through congress.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:43 am to Jake88
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Behind closed doors? You should be in favor of that since that's how Obamacare came about.
Are you always this uninformed? Try doing some independent reading on the subject, you'll be surprised at what you find out.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:45 am to LSU Patrick
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Those people don't have insurance under Obamacare,
They have a card, that was all they wanted. It doesn't give them shite but they got a card.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:47 am to LSURussian
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Do you not know how to use Google to search for the demographics of persons on welfare including medicaid?
Medicaid helps many of the working poor (not deadbeats), disabled (not deadbeats), veterans (not deadbeats), the elderly (not deadbeats), children (not deadbeats). BCRA does not carve these populations out of the cruel cuts to the program.
So you have no data to support your incorrect assertion about deadbeats? Good to know!
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