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re: So now the leftist fallback position is that Trumps people were legally surveilled?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 6:59 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 3/22/17 at 6:59 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Even you?
This.
How is "incidental collection" semantics when compared to "Obama wiretapped ME"
incidental collection means that someone( a foreigner likely) who was under investigation and under surveillance contacted Trump or one of his associates.
Trump's tweet implies that he was specifically targeted by President Obama's authority to authorize surveillance.
In what world is that semantics? Do I need to define semantics as well?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:00 pm to RobbBobb
Spying on the Trump campaign legally is bad enough.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:03 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
How is "incidental collection" semantics when compared to "Obama wiretapped ME"
It was incidentally collected.
People were incidentally unmasked.
An EO allowing wider dissemination of intelligence was incidentally written.
Intelligence was incidentally disseminated.
Names were incidentally leaked to the media.
Nothing to see here.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:09 pm to UncleFestersLegs
So on friday when this once again fizzles out like all of the administration's bs claims... You guys gonna apologize or move on to the next troll?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:13 pm to Tigerdev
I have stated multiple times I wish he would stay off Twitter. It is a horrible medium to convey a complete thought. And he created this firestorm with his ill advised tweet (I absolutely loathe that word). I am concerned that the apparatus of the federal government was (potentially) used to surveil a candidate and a president-elect. But if we as concerned as we are about Russia (and that is a legitimate concern) then we should also show due diligence if (if) there is evidence surveillance was conducted against the Trump campaign and transition team.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:20 pm to Wolfhound45
My issue is that nothing like what you describe was explicitly stated... Even given that it was stated by Nunes who has now revealed himself as a direct surrogate of the administration...
This was intended as an opportunity to get Trump off the hook for his tweet. An ally did him a solid. That said, if they find something real ill be right there with you.
This was intended as an opportunity to get Trump off the hook for his tweet. An ally did him a solid. That said, if they find something real ill be right there with you.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:28 pm to Tigerdev
I would consider it a win if he would just stay off Twitter
ETA: And as a point of clarification, I grew up during the Watergate investigations. I think this has the potential to create a paranoid presidency who thinks the Deep State is after them and develops their own Plumbers. That is frightening.
ETA: And as a point of clarification, I grew up during the Watergate investigations. I think this has the potential to create a paranoid presidency who thinks the Deep State is after them and develops their own Plumbers. That is frightening.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:34 pm to Wolfhound45
There is a reason "may you live in interesting times" is a curse
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:20 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
Trump's tweet implies that he was specifically targeted by President Obama's authority to authorize surveillance.
I pretty sure that in a platform that limits the number of characters you can use, 'me' and 'my campaign' are interchangeable
I'm also pretty sure that since these surveillance transcripts were delivered to the WH, then 'he' or 'his staff' is also interchangeable
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:31 pm to RobbBobb
Conversing with surveilled individuals does not mean they were surveilled. Nunes is such a butt boy for Trump, it's hilarious.
But of course, "conservatives" will keep doing their insane mental gymnastics to justify how the lies Trump has told them weren't really lies, and you'll keep making up more and more things you think big bad Obama did to you to justify your victim complex.
The only question in my mind is, did Nunes pull this stunt just because he's an idiot, or did he figure some news organization was going to get hold of the fact that there is now evidence of direct collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians and so throw this feeble attempt at a hail mary.
But of course, "conservatives" will keep doing their insane mental gymnastics to justify how the lies Trump has told them weren't really lies, and you'll keep making up more and more things you think big bad Obama did to you to justify your victim complex.
The only question in my mind is, did Nunes pull this stunt just because he's an idiot, or did he figure some news organization was going to get hold of the fact that there is now evidence of direct collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians and so throw this feeble attempt at a hail mary.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:37 pm to League Champs
quote:
I pretty sure that in a platform that limits the number of characters you can use, 'me' and 'my campaign' are interchangeable
I'm also pretty sure that since these surveillance transcripts were delivered to the WH, then 'he' or 'his staff' is also interchangeable
Jesus Christ, he sent like 3 tweets about it and could have clarified what he meant at ANY TIME, but he never did! He often goes on twitter rants that 5 or 6 or double digit tweets long! You honestly think he said, "Obama wiretapped me!" when he really meant, "During routine surveillance of foreign agents, some conversations involving members of my staff were incidentally collected by someone in the government." and that he was powerless to be AT ALL specific about claims he clearly thought were very serious because of twitter's character limit! For goodness sake, listen to youself...
How much of Trump's shite will his supporters eat before they stop believing it's chocolate pudding?!
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:19 pm to RobbBobb
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And None of it was Russian related. It was purely a fishing expedition
Russia conspiracy was the cover.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:31 pm to member12
You guys make more excuses than your exalted ruler. Never admitting you're wrong and always placing blame on someone else. Hillary, Obama, FBI, CIA. Trump has taught you well.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:33 pm to member12
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Russia conspiracy was the cover
It's the dumbest smokescreen in political history.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's the dumbest smokescreen in political history.
They started running it the second the content of th DNC leaks were released. It was always a deflection.
Any stupid conspiracy theory can get dragged around for months and months without evidence with an irresponsible, complicit media.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Putin was an easy target used by BHO, HRC and the Dems. The USofA was poking the Russian bear and a continued willingness to say otherwise is flat out dishonest. We have some very nasty, nasty people in leadership.
For two years the arrogant Left knew it had the WH sewn up and KNEW it could keep its misconduct under wraps. Well, something happened along the way and the only action was to blur sources as much as possible, hence BHO's 19th hour EO on sharing Intel. This is one dirty SOB and heads need to roll and if it results in ripping us a new one, FINE...this has got to stop.
For two years the arrogant Left knew it had the WH sewn up and KNEW it could keep its misconduct under wraps. Well, something happened along the way and the only action was to blur sources as much as possible, hence BHO's 19th hour EO on sharing Intel. This is one dirty SOB and heads need to roll and if it results in ripping us a new one, FINE...this has got to stop.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:44 pm to wfallstiger
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BHO's 19th hour EO on sharing Intel
Smoking gun.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:13 am to YNWA
quote:
You guys make more excuses
uh, Trump said he was surveilled. And now there are IC reports floating around that went to Obamas WH, with Trumps people listed, that had nothing to do with Russia or foreign intel
Mostly just Trumps people talking transition. Sounds exactly like what Trump said happened
So what are these excuses, again?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:17 am to NYNolaguy1
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Finally... Well they had FISA court warrants to do so, so he must be guilty of something (mind you FISA is not a criminal court)
If they truly got the warrants i have no problem with it, but if they didnt people need to start being handcuffed
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