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Single-payer would be a nightmare for Americans
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:26 am
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The Affordable Care Act's insurance exchanges are collapsing. In 40 percent of counties, consumers will have access to just one insurer on the exchange next year. In 47 counties, there will be no insurers on the exchange at all.
More insurers may pull out in the coming weeks. The ones that don't will, in many cases, hike premiums by 40 percent or more.
Americans are frustrated with the exchanges' high costs and limited options. And that frustration is manifesting itself in growing support for a government-run, single-payer healthcare system. Forty-four percent of Americans now favor this approach, according to a recent Morning Consult poll.
Translation: 44% of Americans can not grasp the concept.
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Supporters of single-payer claim that it would eliminate wasteful spending and improve the quality of care. The reality is quite different. Single-payer systems ration healthcare, slow the development of life-saving drugs and medical devices, and hamstring economic growth.
When has a government monopoly or government program ever reduced wasteful spending? If you need example(s) of wasteful spending go research the F-35 and/or the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS).
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Single-payer systems control costs primarily by limiting access to healthcare. In the United Kingdom's National Health Service, 5 million patients will languish on waiting lists for non-emergency surgeries, such as hip replacements, by 2019. The president of the country's emergency room doctors association warned earlier this year that wait times are causing "untold patient misery" and that the NHS is "broken."
In Canada, patients wait more than nine weeks between referral from a general practitioner and consultation with a specialist. By comparison, American patients wait less than four weeks, on average. Fewer than 4 percent of Americans who need non-emergency surgeries must wait longer than four months, compared to 18 percent of Canadians.
In many cases, single-payer sys
Both of those situations would have Americans going apeshite crazy. Can you imagine telling an American he or she had to wait until 2019 to get a hip replacement. That would go over like a wet fart in church.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:27 am to WeeWee
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www.washingtonexaminer.com
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:27 am to WeeWee
We'll see armed marches to Govt buildings or talks of real secession before we every seriously start implementing single payer federal healthcare.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:29 am to WeeWee
These polling companies are paid to deliver the desired results of their employers. Nothing more.
44% of Americans do NOT favor single payer. Only 44% of the heavily skewed poll taken of about 1k people want it. Its like polling Cal Berkeley on Trump approval. Its fricking meaningless
44% of Americans do NOT favor single payer. Only 44% of the heavily skewed poll taken of about 1k people want it. Its like polling Cal Berkeley on Trump approval. Its fricking meaningless
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:30 am to 225bred
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We'll see armed marches to Govt buildings or talks of real secession before we every seriously start implementing single payer federal healthcare.
The federal government couldn't even get a website to launch to properly even if they passed a single-payer bill there is no way they could ever implement it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:36 am to WeeWee
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The federal government couldn't even get a website to launch to properly even if they passed a single-payer bill there is no way they could ever implement
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:41 am to WeeWee
Single Payer
The Bat Signal just went up...
Here comes BamaAtl to collect his/her .04!
The Bat Signal just went up...
Here comes BamaAtl to collect his/her .04!
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:48 am to WeeWee
Imagine all of us having the same healthcare as Congress. Just imagine the horror.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:51 am to Kjun Tiger
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his/her
2 options?
Are you fricking kidding me?
Wow, you are one hateful monster.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:54 am to WeeWee
No, it wouldn't.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:55 am to WeeWee
Yes it would.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:57 am to WeeWee
It's going to be so awesome when we pass single-payer and all those college kids will just be lining up to spend 10+ years in medical school and make $50,000/yr.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:02 am to BamaAtl
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No, it wouldn't.
Yes it would. Trying to cover 300million+ ppl would be a logistical nightmare. There is no way the government could keep costs and waste down without extreme rationing measures and those would not go over well with most Americans. If the government avoids rationing then the costs would be astronomical. If you really believe otherwise you are living in fantasyland.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:04 am to WeeWee
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Trying to cover 300million+ ppl would be a logistical nightmare.
Not any more of a nightmare than our current patchwork system.
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There is no way the government could keep costs and waste down without extreme rationing measures
This is not true.
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If the government avoids rationing then the costs would be astronomical.
This is not true.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:05 am to Cruiserhog
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Imagine all of us having the same healthcare as Congress. Just imagine the horror.
just when I thought you couldn't get more ignorant, here you go breaking the glass ceiling again
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:20 am to BamaAtl
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There is no way the government could keep costs and waste down without extreme rationing measures
This is not true.
Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
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If the government avoids rationing then the costs would be astronomical.
This is not true.
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In September, the Department of Health and Human Services sent out a warning that improper payments under Medicaid have become so common that they will account this year for almost 12 percent of total Medicaid spending — just shy of $140 billion. (Total improper payments across federal programs will come to about $139 billion this year, according to estimates that have proved too generous in the past, and almost all of that is Medicaid-driven.) That rate has doubled in only a few years, driven mostly by the so-called Affordable Care Act’s liberalization of Medicaid-eligibility rules.
12% of medicaid was spent on fraud, improper payments, and waste.
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The report says that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the federal agency that administers Medicare, estimates that last year some $60 billion of American taxpayer money, or more than 10 percent of Medicare’s total budget, was lost to fraud, waste, abuse and improper payments.
10% of medicare's budget was spent on fraud, improper payments, and waste.
A Bernie style single payer system would cost an additional $3.2trillion/yr. That would mean the US government would probably pay an additional $320billion/yr in fraud, improper payments, and waste. When you add that to what it already pays, it would mean that the US government would pay ~$500,000,000,000/yr in fraud, improper payments, and waste.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:22 am to WeeWee
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Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
Other countries that have single payer systems without extreme rationing.
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12% of medicaid was spent on fraud, improper payments, and waste.
That has nothing to do with rationing, and everything to do with fraud.
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10% of medicare's budget was spent on fraud, improper payments, and waste.
That has nothing to do with rationing, and everything to do with fraud.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:24 am to BamaAtl
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Not any more of a nightmare than our current patchwork system.
you don't see the difference in a single bureaucracy running a system of 300M people and a national network of companies offering market-based services?
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If the government avoids rationing then the costs would be astronomical.
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This is not true.
...how is this not true?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Not sure why you continue to waste keystrokes on her.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:26 am to BamaAtl
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Other countries that have single payer systems without extreme rationing.
they're "extreme" compared to our current abundance
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That has nothing to do with rationing, and everything to do with fraud.
it's no about rationing. it's about government-created waste
again, how do you think a single entity can run a system this large when it's utterly failed in MUCH smaller programs in similar areas? do you honestly think the US budget could afford a national insurance system with an annual waste of 10-12%? that's not even discussing inefficiencies. that's pure waste from fraud.
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