re: Single payer= lower salaries for nurses, by at least 8000/year

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I can help more people

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but... empathy?

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I lack empathy. I do things for my own personal gain. I don't give money to people to help them. I do it for me.

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whether you look at it as "helping" them or not when you donate, it doesn't negate the fact that you are indeed helping them, no matter what your "motivation" is....

thus negating your little empathy creed.... see, you aren't as self-indulgent as you like to think you are...

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i believe that we all, regardless of political lean, religious sway, race, sex, etc, all have a moral implication to our fellow human beings to assist and strengthen the down trodden, the subjugated, the ignored, etc.... i just don't understand how we have gotten here as a global society... do we really, as members of the human race, devalue others lives in comparison to ours that much that even basic needs are looked as "handouts"?

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See, I agree with you on this on a personal level. What I don't agree with is you forcing this idea on other people through government fiat.

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thus negating your little empathy creed.... see, you aren't as self-indulgent as you like to think you are...

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Uh... No.... Empathy is caring for others. I don't. I care about myself. I do things. For myself.

Example. I'm with a girl. Some.homeless dude is asking for money. I give him 20. Not for him. But because I know the chick I'm with will get all hot n horny because I'm so sweet for giving the guy money so I get a blowie.

I did it for the blowie and the illusion of caring. I couldn't care less about the homeless dude.

The reason you do something has everything to do with empathy

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i understand... so what's your proposal?

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Not using government fiat to force people to care for their fellow man?

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The reason you do something has everything to do with empathy

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yep, and i'm not ashamed of that in the least bit...

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But because I know the chick I'm with will get all hot n horny because I'm so sweet for giving the guy money so I get a blowie.

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this is one of the stupidest things i've read on this board, which, considering which board we are on, is saying something....

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Empathy is caring for others. I don't. I care about myself. I do things. For myself

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you can window dress it however you see fit.... it really doesn't matter... all i know is it helps another person, and for that, thanks

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yeah, i have no need for that... there is very likely no God..

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I agree. But what if rather cover my bases.

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still doesn't negate the fact that you are giving someone else assistance, thus negating your whole empathy thing...

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Sigh. Do you not know what empathy means? I do it for me. Not because I care about them. Empathy is caring for the plight of someone else and sympathizing with them. I don't.

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just cut the shite with "I'm a badass"... it's stupid... just own up to it that you do help other via a handout/donation/whatever from time to time.... you aren't going to be disowned by your party... why is so bad to be viewed as a good, moral, and caring person, in your opinion? honest question...

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It isn't a bad thing to be viewed that way. I never said it was. I just said I lack empathy because I do. I'm self serving always. I don't care about you or yours or the random person begging for food. I care about me.

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just know I do it for me

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noted....

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We just have ideological differences

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we do, but i'm still a cool person to have a beer, or better yet, a Turkey and Dew with....

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You want the government to provide

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i want the government to provide many things with the money that we already give them.... problem is we keep the same status quo in there, so nothing really ever changes, because too many people put party ahead of country... frick both parties... i don't think they should list what party each person on the ballot belongs to, tbh... too many people have no clue who the person they are voting for or what their platform is, but they can recognize the "d" and the "r" next to the name...

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The private sector will pick up the tab.

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no offense, but the private sector doesn't have the resources nor the logistical ability to do that... and all too often, many people still get left out because they aren't the right religion/race/sex/etc... leaving it in the hands of the private sector would just magnify the marginalization of certain groups, especially in the geopolitical shitstorm we currently find ourselves in....

but anyway, good talk bro... and i really didn't wanna talk about the OLOL thing, or the personal items i discussed, but you sorta called me out and i had to kinda defend myself... that's not normally in my nature to call attention to that sort of thing... in fact, many of my good friends don't even know about the OLOL thing... hell, most of them don't even know i own part of a pharmacy, b/c i don't really like talking about it...

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Why have a middle man? All the middle man does is take funds that can be given directly to those in need.

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i view healthcare the same way i do schools, roads, hospitals, etc.... i want our tax money to pay for more and better of this, rather than more defense spending, etc...

and as far as taxes, either have a flat tax on goods and services, or close a ton of the loopholes, which allow the wealthiest to negate and/or avoid their fair portion of their tax bill.... i'd be all about no tax write offs, etc.... if you are in the 25%, you pay 25%... period....

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during my career as a pharmacist.... 15 years and counting.

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15 years and counting what? Pills all day in a little box?