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re: Sick of Obama telling everyone how great LBJ was
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
BlackHelicopterPilot, I've always been skeptical of stuff I've read or heard second hand as opposed to stuff I've heard with my own ears, so if you want get a true measure of LBJ's motivations, you should spend time listening to some of the declassified audio recordings at millercenter.org. Listen to his conversations with the hardcore segregationists like George Wallace, James Eastland and Richard Russell, the civil rights leaders like MLK and Whitney Young and, various members of Congress and cabinet members like Everett Dirksen, Clark Clifford, Robert McNamara and J Edgar Hoover. Then listen to JFK having conversations with these same people under similar circumstances.
One day, I played some of these recordings for my parents and an uncle and they were shocked at what they were hearing because it was obvious that on the issue of civil rights, LBJ was a lot more altruistic than JFK, who was a lot more duplicitous than they had imagined, which totally contradicted the prevailing narrative that had been adopted in much of the Black community ever since the 1960's.
One day, I played some of these recordings for my parents and an uncle and they were shocked at what they were hearing because it was obvious that on the issue of civil rights, LBJ was a lot more altruistic than JFK, who was a lot more duplicitous than they had imagined, which totally contradicted the prevailing narrative that had been adopted in much of the Black community ever since the 1960's.
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:07 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Was it honestlh sincere? Did he truly care abour black people or was he delivering a huge voting block to the democrats?
Listen to the tapes Ponchy, listen to the tapes.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:10 pm to trackfan
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BlackHelicopterPilot, I've always been skeptical of stuff I've read or heard second hand as opposed to stuff I've heard with my own ears, so if you want get a true measure of LBJ's motivations, you should spend time listening to some of the declassified audio recordings at millercenter.org. Listen to his conversations with the hardcore segregationists like George Wallace, James Eastland and Richard Russell, the civil rights leaders like MLK and Whitney Young and, various members of Congress and cabinet members like Everett Dirksen, Clark Clifford, Robert McNamara and J Edgar Hoover. Then listen to JFK having conversations with these same people under similar circumstances. One day, I played some of these recordings for my parents and an uncle and they were shocked at what they were hearing because it was obvious that on the issue of civil rights, LBJ was a lot more altruistic than JFK, who was a lot more duplicitous than they had imagined, which totally contradicted the prevailing narrative that had been adopted in much of the Black community ever since the 1960's.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:10 pm to fleaux
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is this good enough This is a black guy who said that Obama was the best man for the job in 2012...... Is this good enough ?? If not then tell me your criteria for legitimate news
You provided a link to a website. What am I supposed to be reading or listening to?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:11 pm to trackfan
I haven't thats why I was asking. Everything I have ever heard and read about LBJ is that he was a motherfricker to the core. So was just wondering what his true motivations were.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:13 pm to trackfan
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I don't know what Ike has to due with this since he was out of office when the 1964 CRA was passed, but Goldwater later said that the biggest regret of his career was not voting for the 1964 CRA.
Eisenhower, unlike democrats of the day, believed he had federal authority to enter states and enforce individual constitutional rights. He believed he had the authority to enforce the 13, 14 and 15th amendments.
He sent federal troops into Little Rock. The first use of federal troops involving civil rights since reconstruction.
Goldwater recognized the additional enforcement measures in the CRA and said he only opposed what he considered unconstitutional and that was Title 2. (it was a big stretch to say the commerce clause entitled the government to dictate to hotels and motels)
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:13 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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I haven't thats why I was asking. Everything I have ever heard and read about LBJ is that he was a motherfricker to the core. So was just wondering what his true motivations were.
He was a motherfricking political animal to the core. But he grew up poor white trash and came to identify with the downtrodden--including blacks of the time. His conversations with George Wallace were epic.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:13 pm to I B Freeman
I give JFK more credit for the Civil Rights movement..he was the one who really started pushing for Civil Rights.
LBJ inherited that and used it for political gain...then created the Great Society in order to keep minorities pinned down. It was nothing but a ploy to gain votes and keep blacks in poverty...ensuring that they would never get to fully take advantage of the rights that they gained.
And it worked. The Great Society and the victim mentality that Dems have pushed on the black community has destroyed their neighborhoods, their family unit, etc. And a lot of them don't see it...they keep thinking the Democrats are there to help them but in reality they need to step back and ask themselves "are we really any better off now than we were 50 years ago"? The answer is no.
LBJ inherited that and used it for political gain...then created the Great Society in order to keep minorities pinned down. It was nothing but a ploy to gain votes and keep blacks in poverty...ensuring that they would never get to fully take advantage of the rights that they gained.
And it worked. The Great Society and the victim mentality that Dems have pushed on the black community has destroyed their neighborhoods, their family unit, etc. And a lot of them don't see it...they keep thinking the Democrats are there to help them but in reality they need to step back and ask themselves "are we really any better off now than we were 50 years ago"? The answer is no.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:14 pm to trackfan
For some reason its linking the site and not the actual story , but you go ahead and pretend you don't know how to use google and it'll be all good
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:16 pm to deltaland
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then created the Great Society in order to keep minorities pinned down. It was nothing but a ploy to gain votes and keep blacks in poverty...ensuring that they would never get to fully take advantage of the rights that they gained.
The Great Society has been a massive failure in my estimation, but do you people really believe it was created specifically to keep 10-13% of the population "down". Trillions over the last 50 years just to keep blacks democratic--though most blacks live in states that go red year in and year out?
You are fricking delusional. Your ideas are a fricking joke. You should be embarrassed.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:20 pm to Navytiger74
Do i think the great society was specifically created with this in mind? No, but I do beleive that many politicians have seen how it has developed and are doing nothing to fix it because they have seen how they have benefited from keeping people dependent on
on the government.
on the government.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:22 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Just curious, why do you bother arguing?
Navytiger74
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:25 pm to drizztiger
To all you LBJ lovers and "his" CRA take a listen to Mark Levin breaking out the truth for you tonight.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:25 pm to drizztiger
quote:
Just curious, why do you bother arguing?
1. I sometimes get bored.
2. I want people to know when they're wrong and why they're wrong...and I want them to feel bad about it.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:25 pm to Tiguar
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He did nothing but purchase your and your children's vote.
Explains Obama's love for LBJ
/thread
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:28 pm to Navytiger74
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BlackHelicopterPilot, I've always been skeptical of stuff I've read or heard second hand as opposed to stuff I've heard with my own ears, so if you want get a true measure of LBJ's motivations, you should spend time listening to some of the declassified audio recordings at millercenter.org. Listen to his conversations with the hardcore segregationists like George Wallace, James Eastland and Richard Russell, the civil rights leaders like MLK and Whitney Young and, various members of Congress and cabinet members like Everett Dirksen, Clark Clifford, Robert McNamara and J Edgar Hoover. Then listen to JFK having conversations with these same people under similar circumstances. One day, I played some of these recordings for my parents and an uncle and they were shocked at what they were hearing because it was obvious that on the issue of civil rights, LBJ was a lot more altruistic than JFK, who was a lot more duplicitous than they had imagined, which totally contradicted the prevailing narrative that had been adopted in much of the Black community ever since the 1960's.
Listen to him tell Richard Russell what he thought about the war. Every man that served in Nam should be given travel to LBJ's grave to piss directly on it.
In 64 he knew it was not good.
LINK
Now this bastard did not believe in the war but went on to draft hundreds of thousands to escalate the war. In 68 over a half a million Americans were there.
One latter recording is of him and McNammarra discussing a bombing to coincident with the dinner time hours so he could announce it during the prime time news.
Latter, in 68, he tells Rusk he will not be the first president to lose a war.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:28 pm to I B Freeman
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In 1980 I was living in a small South Georgia town and needed to go to the doctor. I went to the one everyone recommended. He had black and white waiting rooms. I couldn't believe it. They were the same size and equally furnished but separate none the less. Both were full.
I know numerous places in MS like this. Not Doctor's offices..but restaurants. I know a few country stores where the owner let's the white farmers eat in one room and the black farmhands eat in another.
A few high end restaurants tell their waitresses to do their best to separate people.
People also don't put their house (if it's a nice one or in a nice neighborhood) on the market if they want to sell because they don't want to sell to a black family..so they do it by word of mouth only and through a friend realtor that will keep it under wraps.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:30 pm to I B Freeman
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Listen to him tell Dean Rusk what he thought about the war. Every man that served in Nam should be given travel to LBJ's grave to piss directly on it. In 64 he knew it was not good. LINK Now this bastard did not believe in the war but went on to draft hundreds of thousands to escalate the war. In 68 over a half a million Americans were there. One latter recording is of him and McNammarra discussing a bombing to coincident with the dinner time hours so he could announce it during the prime time news. Latter, in 68, he tell Rusk he will not be the first president to lose a war.
As everyone else has asked, what does this have to do with the CRA of 1964.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:31 pm to Navytiger74
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His social welfare programs so far over-reached that it's not even worth discussing
quote:Interesting juxtaposition.
I celebrate the "born-again racist's" efforts on behalf of racial equality.
I agree with everything you said about the CRA.
The problem is: (1) the now significant Partisan Political Revisionism associated with origins of the CRA and (2) the horrendous contravening impact of those over-reaching social programs on beneficiaries of the CRA.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:33 pm to Navytiger74
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The Great Society has been a massive failure in my estimation, but do you people really believe it was created specifically to keep 10-13% of the population "down". Trillions over the last 50 years just to keep blacks democratic--though most blacks live in states that go red year in and year out?
Have you ever seen LBJ's quotes on the matter?
You have the one about "I'll have these n%($$ voting Democrat for the next 100 years"
and
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“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ
I'm saying that is was LBJ's purpose for creating the Great Society. I'm not saying that's why we have it today..I just don't think people realize it's intent originally and how detrimental it has been to not only the black community, but many other minority communities.
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