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re: Shrink the military? Can right and left agree on this?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:08 pm to asurob1
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:08 pm to asurob1
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As I said, we really no longer need a marine corps, at least not at the size and scope of the current one. They need to go back to a force level of being a mardet on warships and embassy guards.
This is how the Marines should sell themselves. Along with keeping enough infantry battalions to man the MEUs. Let the army, in the form of a stronger National Guard organization, handle the bulk of the land fighting.
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There was a lot of "marine corps pride" in his story.
There's nothing wrong with this. All elite military units do it. Esprit de Corps is a vital part of military efficiency.
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:09 pm to asurob1
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He's really not.
Yes he is.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:10 pm to son of arlo
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Having been a part of several September "spend downs" where you have to spend money or lose budget for next year, I'll say that was the precise time I saw how ridiculously inept the federal government was in spending money.
The solution this problem really is so simple. A simple budget rollover would be such an incentive to units to save this money. Calculating a percentage to be rolled into the next FY would do wonders for efficiency.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:14 pm to MrCarton
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This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 12:55 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:19 pm to MrCarton
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The solution this problem really is so simple. A simple budget rollover would be such an incentive to units to save this money. Calculating a percentage to be rolled into the next FY would do wonders for efficiency.
Nothing about Fed gov financing is simple. It's the same way in large corporations. You spend all your money, or other departments will raid your funds at EOY.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:19 pm to bigblake
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We cheaper because our taxes are lower and we have more refineries.
And taxes are lower because we don't have to pay as much for the oil due to what our Navy does for the trade routes.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:23 pm to zeebo
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Since we borrow 40% of every dollar we spend, does it make since to have troops
In Japan, Germany, South Korea?
nope
Let em do what they want.
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Are we really gonna go to war over 70 year old treaties for countries that don't pay for their own defense?
we should allow them to develop and help train their militarys before we leave.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Esprit de Corps is a vital part of military efficiency.
Absolutely, and the Corps has this down to a science. I love that aspect of the Marines.
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As I said, we really no longer need a marine corps, at least not at the size and scope of the current one. They need to go back to a force level of being a mardet on warships and embassy guards.
This is how the Marines should sell themselves. Along with keeping enough infantry battalions to man the MEUs. Let the army, in the form of a stronger National Guard organization, handle the bulk of the land fighting.
Man, So much common sense and reason here. Keep the Marines close to their parent branch and near the invasion points. Keep the active duty army small, professional and competitive. Reduce the size of the full time infantry and use them as the experienced cadre and keepers of institutional knowledge. This would be a key component of maintaining proficiency as a nation.
As for our premier light infantry units, keep these dudes busy with 10% of the budget saved by cutting the fat and they would get more quality training than they could handle.
Special Operations units could use a cross service consolidation and downsizing as well. Pull the SEALs back, get rid of MARSOC. Maintain what the Ranger Regiment is doing (mind blowing efficiency with a TINY group of people) and keep Army SOF competitive by turfing some of the weaker performers off to NG units.
I would love to see more of a professional sports model applied to the military. I am convinced we can reduce the force, save money, and actually improve our capabilities simultaneously.
No matter what, the sense of entitlement that those who serve in military tend to have needs to go away. When a Soldier, Airman, Seaman, or Marine goes to work in the A.M., he should be fighting for his damn job. Period.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:30 pm to son of arlo
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:30 pm to son of arlo
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Nothing about Fed gov financing is simple. It's the same way in large corporations. You spend all your money, or other departments will raid your funds at EOY.
I understand that it isn't simple. I guess I am arguing that it should be.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:32 pm to MrCarton
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:38 pm to bigblake
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True, but you should see the entitlement of the DoD civilians. Sure as the sun rises and falls, those guys put in precisely 40 hours a week.
I have had some bad run-ins with these people.
O0n the whole when I absolutely need something done right, right now...I find the civilian contractor (not DOD Civies). For the most part these people are hungry for a new contract and do a great job, at least in the places that I worked. Active duty support turds and DoD civilians are the cancer that kills a unit with a quickness.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:45 pm to MrCarton
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:47 am to Navtiger1
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You do know that we’re not the only country protecting sea lanes right. We have the world’s largest Navy so we do take a greater role, but most other nations with a naval force are out there as well. The sea lanes that are being protected are used for our imports and exports not just other nations.
When you compare US Military spending to other nations yes, in fact, we are the only nation spending anything on keeping sea lanes open AND securing marketplaces.
Why is it that so many conservatives refuse to acknowledge the fact that we spend an awful lot of money on defense (how the frick the Navy's being a "Global Force For Good" is in any way, shape or form defense is anyones guess) and thus relieve the competition of footing their share of the costs. This would be like one plumbing contractor footing the bill for all other plumbing contractors workers comp and general liability. The other contractors would have a competitive edge in that case, and so do the competitors of US based companies.
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You seem to have something against Toyota you keep bringing them up. You do know that most of the Toyotas driven in the US are built here in the south.
Not Toyota. It could have been Mercedes, Siemens, or any other manufacturer who competes against US interests and is not based in the US and paying for global security to the degree that the US is doing.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:49 am to RollTide1987
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Why do you think the price of gasoline is lower in the United States than it is anywhere else in the world? Because we keep the trading lanes safe, we control them, and therefore get thrown a bone.
Taxes, my friend, taxes. Oil is a commodity...it is traded on the open market. OPEC doesn't give a rats arse whose aircraft carriers is sitting in the med or the gulf....they are going to get their price because the rest of the world will buy it if we don't...
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:54 am to son of arlo
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Also, you're offbase about the "entitled bunch" remark.
I am sorry my friend but in my experience I have never met a more entitled human being in my life than a full bird colonel in the Army....unless it was a general. I have seen generals in Stuttgart, Germany who had a Lt Colonel as a driver. Not entitled? WTF? I have seen a US Naval Commander ship fillipino workers home from a job where they were making $1.80 an hour because they turned off the sprinklers in the commander's yard (on base) at the direction of another commander because the base water production was critically low due to equipment malfunction. I have seen so many cases of entitled military officers it would make your head swim. Not senior enlisted, however. These people are the backbone of the military and they can make do with little or nothing because they have learned how due to their command needing new office furniture and the such.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:55 am to oklahogjr
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Fighter Jet repairs. I talked with the owner of this company that does runway repairs selling him ERP software. He didn't want it because of TINA forcing him to cut his prices if he actually tracked costs in detail.
I am sure you didn't close him because had you done so you would have been a taker and no longer a producer, right?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 6:14 am to Jake88
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Shrink the civilian bureaucracy of the military and I agree.
...and the over-inflated officer corps.
ETA: The late David Hackworth once made the comment that in today's Army you see Majors and Lieutenant Colonels doing administrative jobs that were once done by corporals and sergeants. I've seen this in the Navy - there are jobs that could EASILY be handled by a PO1 or CPO that are done by LCDRs and CDRs.
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 7:45 am
Posted on 1/27/14 at 6:28 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Shrink food stamps, WIC, medicaid, etc., and the amount of dregs living on the teat? Can right and left agree on this?
... but, probably not. 
Posted on 1/27/14 at 6:37 am to kingbob
Kingbob nailed it.
I have no problem drawing down to a degree, but we can't be stupid about it.
I have no problem drawing down to a degree, but we can't be stupid about it.
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