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Sen. Rand Paul walks out of Paul Ryan meeting
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:49 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:49 am
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Doubts grow that GOP can repeal Obamacare
Probably only Donald Trump can whip the party's warring factions in line, but so far he's sent vague and conflicting messages.
Republicans have reached a gut check moment: After spending more than six years vowing to fix the flagging patient that is Obamacare, it’s the GOP’s own repeal effort that’s on life support.
Undoing the health care law despised by conservatives seemed to be a straightforward proposition for the party after it won the White House and retained control of both chambers of Congress. Instead, Republicans are sniping over how much of the law to scrap, what to replace it with and when. At this moment, it's far from a sure thing any plan could get through Congress.
Consider Paul Ryan's feel-good meeting with Senate Republicans on Tuesday. The House speaker trekked across the Capitol to reassure senators that lawmakers are making more progress toward repealing the health care law than the media are reporting.
But not everyone was buying it. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) left before it was over, having heard enough of a conversation that he says centers around keeping Obamacare's Medicaid expansion intact and creating tax credits that he called a "new entitlement program," though a Republican in the room rebutted the notion that the topic of Medicaid expansion came up in the Tuesday meeting with Ryan.
“I hear things that are unacceptable to me,” Paul said in an interview afterward. “If they don’t seem to care what conservatives think about complete repeal of Obamacare, they’re going to be shocked when they count the votes.”
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:51 am to cajunangelle
That was my pick for President.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:52 am to cajunangelle
GOP leadership has ZERO intention of repealing Obamacare
No idea why people still can't see this
It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting and rogue congressman and senators like Rand Paul to get it done
No idea why people still can't see this
It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting and rogue congressman and senators like Rand Paul to get it done
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:52 am to cajunangelle
The GOP wants to keep Obamacare. Bank on it.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:53 am to tigerfootball10
F&*^ing repeal it already!
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:53 am to tigerfootball10
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That was my pick for President
He's NOT a wartime consigliere
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:54 am to cajunangelle
Rand is a patriot. He is still in the Senate for a reason
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:54 am to goldennugget
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GOP leadership has ZERO intention of repealing Obamacare No idea why people still can't see this It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting and rogue congressman and senators like Rand Paul to get it done
They are scared shitless that they will own the replacement and their constituency will abandon them for replacing it with ACA lite.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:55 am to goldennugget
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2009 because GOP had no control
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2011 because GOP had only 1/2 of 1/3 of Congress
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2012 because the Supreme Court would take care of it. When they didn't that just meant Republicans would get fired up and vote in Romney
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2014 because GOP couldn't risk losing the midterms
After winning the senate, we couldn't stop Obamacare because you need the presidency to do anything about it
The current excuse is "this will take time, it's so complex that we have to proceed slowly with caution", aka stall tactica
Then come 2018 when nothing has still happened the excuse will be the same one in 2014, "we can't afford to lose the midterms" so it will be pushed back to 2019
By 2019 the GOP leadership is banking on the administration being unpopular so it is easier to keep Obamacare in place
All we will see is stall tactics
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2011 because GOP had only 1/2 of 1/3 of Congress
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2012 because the Supreme Court would take care of it. When they didn't that just meant Republicans would get fired up and vote in Romney
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2014 because GOP couldn't risk losing the midterms
After winning the senate, we couldn't stop Obamacare because you need the presidency to do anything about it
The current excuse is "this will take time, it's so complex that we have to proceed slowly with caution", aka stall tactica
Then come 2018 when nothing has still happened the excuse will be the same one in 2014, "we can't afford to lose the midterms" so it will be pushed back to 2019
By 2019 the GOP leadership is banking on the administration being unpopular so it is easier to keep Obamacare in place
All we will see is stall tactics
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:58 am to weagle99
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The GOP wants to keep Obamacare. Bank on it.
The GOP is another word for the DNC
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:58 am to goldennugget
Wait, you mean the GOP was just playing politics and have no intentions of repealing ACA?
You pitiful suckers.
You pitiful suckers.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:59 am to cajunangelle
42 Times.
42 times the house passed repeal while Obama was in office.
Does anything more need to be said?
42 times the house passed repeal while Obama was in office.
Does anything more need to be said?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:00 am to SleauxPlay
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You pitiful suckers.
I keep seeing this thrown out as some sort of 'gotcha' for ordinary citizens who want it gone. What's the choice here for ordinary citizens who want it gone?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:00 am to goldennugget
The dirty little secret is most Republican lawmakers actually LIKE most of ACA. They only resent that Obama and the Dems would get credit for it would they have revealed that fact.
There is certainly a faction that does not like it at all. The Rand Pauls, the Freedom Caucus, Ted Cruz. Not enough dislike it enough to actually repeal it without a very similar replacement.
There is certainly a faction that does not like it at all. The Rand Pauls, the Freedom Caucus, Ted Cruz. Not enough dislike it enough to actually repeal it without a very similar replacement.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to cajunangelle
He's being a bitch. Tax credits attached to medical spending accounts is way to introduce some limited market forces into the health care industry which is badly needed.
The perplexing and myriad "system" in place before Obamacare was an expensive mishmash of government regulations, tax credits/shelters, insurance company control with more regulations, FDA processes with more regulation, prescription company copyright protection for drugs partially developed with government funding, university research,and charitable sources, Medicare and Medicaid funding, government hospitals on the state and federal level, etc. etc.
Objecting to government involvement in an attempt to put back market forces to help with price and quality control measures is short sighted in the extreme.
The perplexing and myriad "system" in place before Obamacare was an expensive mishmash of government regulations, tax credits/shelters, insurance company control with more regulations, FDA processes with more regulation, prescription company copyright protection for drugs partially developed with government funding, university research,and charitable sources, Medicare and Medicaid funding, government hospitals on the state and federal level, etc. etc.
Objecting to government involvement in an attempt to put back market forces to help with price and quality control measures is short sighted in the extreme.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to The Spleen
Id agree with you, but they don't like it because it is beneficial to the people
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to cajunangelle
Trump needs to come out and blast the Republicans for this. Get it out there in public.
Establishment Republicans may be worse than democrats.
Establishment Republicans may be worse than democrats.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:03 am to Y.A. Tittle
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ordinary citizens who want it gone.
A good many that want it gone have been misled and don't even understand the law. Many don't even know ACA and Obamacare are the same damn thing. Then you have the ones that got health insurance because of it, but don't even realize it was because of it. The Republican party has been very effective with their Obamacare messaging.
And none of that means it is all good. It certainly has been a hardship for those who have seen increased premiums and deductibles.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:03 am to cajunangelle
Not that I'm a fan of either, but at least Dems do why they say. They pushed through expanded healthcare with all its flaws.
Republicans have the house, senate, and presidency. Still aren't gonna repeal. Book it.
Republicans have the house, senate, and presidency. Still aren't gonna repeal. Book it.
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