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Sen. Rand Paul walks out of Paul Ryan meeting

Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:49 am
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:49 am
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Doubts grow that GOP can repeal Obamacare

Probably only Donald Trump can whip the party's warring factions in line, but so far he's sent vague and conflicting messages.

Republicans have reached a gut check moment: After spending more than six years vowing to fix the flagging patient that is Obamacare, it’s the GOP’s own repeal effort that’s on life support.

Undoing the health care law despised by conservatives seemed to be a straightforward proposition for the party after it won the White House and retained control of both chambers of Congress. Instead, Republicans are sniping over how much of the law to scrap, what to replace it with and when. At this moment, it's far from a sure thing any plan could get through Congress.

Consider Paul Ryan's feel-good meeting with Senate Republicans on Tuesday. The House speaker trekked across the Capitol to reassure senators that lawmakers are making more progress toward repealing the health care law than the media are reporting.

But not everyone was buying it. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) left before it was over, having heard enough of a conversation that he says centers around keeping Obamacare's Medicaid expansion intact and creating tax credits that he called a "new entitlement program," though a Republican in the room rebutted the notion that the topic of Medicaid expansion came up in the Tuesday meeting with Ryan.

“I hear things that are unacceptable to me,” Paul said in an interview afterward. “If they don’t seem to care what conservatives think about complete repeal of Obamacare, they’re going to be shocked when they count the votes.”
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
9494 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:51 am to
That was my pick for President.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:52 am to
GOP leadership has ZERO intention of repealing Obamacare

No idea why people still can't see this

It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting and rogue congressman and senators like Rand Paul to get it done
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:52 am to
The GOP wants to keep Obamacare. Bank on it.
Posted by hogcard1964
Illinois
Member since Jan 2017
10423 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:53 am to
F&*^ing repeal it already!
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:53 am to
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That was my pick for President

He's NOT a wartime consigliere
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:54 am to
Rand is a patriot. He is still in the Senate for a reason
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:54 am to
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GOP leadership has ZERO intention of repealing Obamacare No idea why people still can't see this It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting and rogue congressman and senators like Rand Paul to get it done


They are scared shitless that they will own the replacement and their constituency will abandon them for replacing it with ACA lite.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:55 am to
We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2009 because GOP had no control

We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2011 because GOP had only 1/2 of 1/3 of Congress

We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2012 because the Supreme Court would take care of it. When they didn't that just meant Republicans would get fired up and vote in Romney

We couldn't stop Obamacare in 2014 because GOP couldn't risk losing the midterms

After winning the senate, we couldn't stop Obamacare because you need the presidency to do anything about it

The current excuse is "this will take time, it's so complex that we have to proceed slowly with caution", aka stall tactica

Then come 2018 when nothing has still happened the excuse will be the same one in 2014, "we can't afford to lose the midterms" so it will be pushed back to 2019

By 2019 the GOP leadership is banking on the administration being unpopular so it is easier to keep Obamacare in place

All we will see is stall tactics
Posted by Placebeaux
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Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:58 am to
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The GOP wants to keep Obamacare. Bank on it.


The GOP is another word for the DNC
Posted by SleauxPlay
Here and there
Member since Oct 2005
3427 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:58 am to
Wait, you mean the GOP was just playing politics and have no intentions of repealing ACA?

You pitiful suckers.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7771 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:59 am to
42 Times.

42 times the house passed repeal while Obama was in office.

Does anything more need to be said?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101390 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:00 am to
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You pitiful suckers.



I keep seeing this thrown out as some sort of 'gotcha' for ordinary citizens who want it gone. What's the choice here for ordinary citizens who want it gone?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:00 am to
The dirty little secret is most Republican lawmakers actually LIKE most of ACA. They only resent that Obama and the Dems would get credit for it would they have revealed that fact.


There is certainly a faction that does not like it at all. The Rand Pauls, the Freedom Caucus, Ted Cruz. Not enough dislike it enough to actually repeal it without a very similar replacement.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61823 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20114 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to
He's being a bitch. Tax credits attached to medical spending accounts is way to introduce some limited market forces into the health care industry which is badly needed.

The perplexing and myriad "system" in place before Obamacare was an expensive mishmash of government regulations, tax credits/shelters, insurance company control with more regulations, FDA processes with more regulation, prescription company copyright protection for drugs partially developed with government funding, university research,and charitable sources, Medicare and Medicaid funding, government hospitals on the state and federal level, etc. etc.

Objecting to government involvement in an attempt to put back market forces to help with price and quality control measures is short sighted in the extreme.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to
Id agree with you, but they don't like it because it is beneficial to the people
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to
Trump needs to come out and blast the Republicans for this. Get it out there in public.

Establishment Republicans may be worse than democrats.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:03 am to
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ordinary citizens who want it gone.



A good many that want it gone have been misled and don't even understand the law. Many don't even know ACA and Obamacare are the same damn thing. Then you have the ones that got health insurance because of it, but don't even realize it was because of it. The Republican party has been very effective with their Obamacare messaging.

And none of that means it is all good. It certainly has been a hardship for those who have seen increased premiums and deductibles.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:03 am to
Not that I'm a fan of either, but at least Dems do why they say. They pushed through expanded healthcare with all its flaws.

Republicans have the house, senate, and presidency. Still aren't gonna repeal. Book it.

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