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re: Seattle files federal lawsuit over Trump threat to punish sanctuary cities
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:25 am to Toddy
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:25 am to Toddy
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It does not help anyone when families are getting ripped apart.
A lot of American families have been ripped apart because of illegal immigration.
Why do you care more about illegal immigrants' families than Americans' families?
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 9:27 am
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:32 am to i am dan
quote:Illegal immigration is more important to you than rape is.
Families also get screwed over when their 12 year old daughter is gang raped by illegal immigrants.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:33 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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What the feds could NOT do, is say "okay we're cutting money from education because of sanctuary cities" that would be unconstitutional
Correct, the withholding of funds would have to be something germain to the matter at hand....like additional federal funds for law enfrcement programs that pass through the state earmarked for Seattle
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:34 am to Toddy
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A lot more people are getting deported right now than just violent criminals.
And where is this proof?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:36 am to KiwiHead
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Correct, the withholding of funds would have to be something germain to the matter at hand....like additional federal funds for law enfrcement programs that pass through the state earmarked for Seattle
Yep, this is already settled law. I don't even see how an honest judge would even allow the case to proceed. But , we all know that some of these judges are partisan fools.
If Paul Ryan had even an ounce of balls he would start impeachment hearings on these judges.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:52 am to Toddy
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The International Association of Police Chiefs this week urged the Trump administration not to punish jurisdictions that don't honor all requests from Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The association said "[S]tate and local law enforcement agencies depend on the cooperation of immigrants, legal or not, in solving a wide array of crimes" and that penalizing sanctuary cities is counter-productive.
If illegal aliens knew they couldn't report crimes which were committed against them and other people because of the fear that they would be deported then it would deter some of them from coming to the USA in the first place.
That's an overall plus in my book.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:59 am to Toddy
This federal money is a gift. The gov't does not have to hand it out to anyone. You can't argue not getting your gift money when it's not rightfully yours....especially when you break the law. All for states rights when they don't like the president....but when obama was in there most were happy to hand over power to him.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:00 am to ballscaster
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Families also get screwed over when their 12 year old daughter is gang raped by illegal immigrants.
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Illegal immigration is more important to you than rape is.
American families are more important to me than illegal aliens' families.
No illegal aliens in the USA means no illegal aliens committing crimes in the USA.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:05 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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There argument is stupid. The feds are threatening to withhold funding that is part of an agreement the states have made in regards to federal la in this area. That has been held as Constitutional.
What the feds could NOT do, is say "okay we're cutting money from education because of sanctuary cities" that would be unconstitutional.
yeah as long as these funds are related to policing or immigration, the cities/states are going to have very difficult arguments
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:30 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Unreasonable crap like this is why the right gets ignored when talking about illegal immigration. Be more reasonable, and more people will hear you out.
Why do you care more about illegal immigrants' families than Americans' families?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:36 am to ballscaster
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Be more reasonable
The problem is for those who support Sanctuary cities and illegal immigration, "be reasonable" means "agree with me or else."
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:38 am to Toddy
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I don't. What are you talking about? I am against what he is doing right now. A lot more people are getting deported right now than just violent criminals.
You think legal immigrants are being deported?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:39 am to Friscodog
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Why do States have the rights to pick and choose which Federal Laws they will support? I thought laws were applicable to everyone and should be followed?
In Colorado and other states they have legalized marijuana, yet it is still against the law at the federal level... Can they do that? If so, then why couldn't TX or another state decide to outlaw abortion, or not recognize gay marriage? Why would these things be any different?
I can answer that I think.
The 10th Amendment leaves every power not granted to the Federal Government left to the States, therefore, if a Federal law is a power granted to the Federal Government the States MUST follow it (ex. things listed in Article I Section 8 like the power of Congress to declare war), but if it is not a power granted to the Federal Government the States should be able to chose if they follow it.
I would argue that the Federal Government is completely in their power to regulate the importation of pot, but it is an overreach to tell Colorado they can't allow pot to be grown and sold in their state (Colorado has police powers over their state). I don't think the Interstate Commerce Clause should control pot that is grown in Colorado for sale in Colorado, though under the terrible SCOTUS decisions that control the Federal Government is granted that control.
Abortion should be considered murder, but if we aren't going to recognize it as such it should be a police powers issue for the States to decide.
The Full Faith and Credit Clause would make states recognize gay marriages performed in other states, but I think the 10th Amendment would allow states to decide if they actually perform gay marriages in their state.
Immigration and naturalization is clearly a Federal power, even as an die hard 10th Amendment lover, I fail to see how it could be a basis for which Seattle brings this suit. Ask Arizona what happens when a state tries to alter immigration laws, they are preempted.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:35 am to Toddy
Immigration is under the jurisdiction of the federal government per the Constitution so therefore immigration policy is not relegated to the states. 10th amendment does not apply here
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:49 am to ballscaster
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Why do you care more about illegal immigrants' families than Americans' families?
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Unreasonable crap like this is why the right gets ignored when talking about illegal immigration. Be more reasonable, and more people will hear you out.
bullshite!!!
The Left has made it clear that THE DEBATE IS OVER!
The Left is not interested in any more debates with Right-wingers about illegal aliens being allowed to stay in the USA.
The Left is a bunch of One World Globalists who do not believe in borders and anyone who disagrees with them has to be forced to shut up!
You Lefty frickers don't care about Americans' families or even the families of non-Americans who are legally living in the USA.
All Lefties care about is deluging the USA with non-white, poor people who will support your left wing agenda of One World Globalism.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:58 am to MullenBoys
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Ah, my bad. I'm so used to liberals cherry picking stats. That's all they do I swear.
I agree with you there. But they keep saying that immigrants pay taxes, but they don't acknowledge the fact that they do not come close to covering the costs.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:25 pm to goldennugget
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goldennugget
Are you sure your name isn't Todd Herman?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:18 pm to Centinel
quote:This is precisely what I'm talking about. You lose the debate when this is what you bring.
The problem is for those who support Sanctuary cities and illegal immigration, "be reasonable" means "agree with me or else."
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:19 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Same shite. You lose when this is what you bring.
bullshite!!!
The Left has made it clear that THE DEBATE IS OVER!
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:41 pm to Toddy
I have no doubt that the 9th Circuit will rule whatever Trump does to be Unconstitutional. They will make up whatever law necessary to make it happen.
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