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re: say a child was born the wrong race ?

Posted on 2/8/14 at 10:57 pm to
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
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Posted on 2/8/14 at 10:57 pm to
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What proof do you have that people are born with their sexual preference unrelated to their gender?


It's what I have always heard....and I accept that. You know: "it's such a tough way of life....why would I choose to be homosexual?" Or "Do you remember the exact moment you chose to be heterosexual?" Good points. Okay well, they are born that way.

Now Spidey tells me the folks with gender identity issues are NOT born that way. It's confusing to me. Are the transgenders choosing to be transgenders? Are they transformed into it because of how momma dressed them? How'd they get that way if they weren't born that way.

Can't get an answer.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:03 pm to
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It's what I have always heard....and I accept that. You know: "it's such a tough way of life....why would I choose to be homosexual?" Or "Do you remember the exact moment you chose to be heterosexual?" Good points. Okay well, they are born that way.


But, there is no scientific proof of that. None.

All that we have is the word/testimony of the homosexual. Well over 90% of the population cannot relate to that unless they just relate their own sexual desires for the opposite sex to the discussion and try to be understanding.

The thing is that if someone tells another that God exists because they believe in God and they cannot imagine not believing in God and the fact that over 90% of the world's population claims to believe in God and would give their life for God and are often beaten and persecuted to defend their belief in God - then that testimony carries NO weight with the scientific community and with many Progressives who are atheists because God cannot be proven.

Yet, we believe the word of homosexuals over the word of Christians being beheaded and burned alive in Syria because they won't recant and become a Muslim?

And, we are reshaping our entire society on the word of some homosexuals who say they were born that way?

Again, if we are guided by science and rational inquiry, where is the proof?

Again, if you want to give them special treatment on the basis of the social construct, then fine. That is what we did with Race and it is how 50 million babies were aborted. So, go for it. But, don't pretend that it is Science and please stop it with the farce that there is no place for Religion in the public square. This is all Religion of one form or another - or, at least it is equally unprovable.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Creoleshmuck
New Hampshire
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:05 pm to
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If there were some sort of medical procedure that could be done to change a person's race I have no doubt that some in the medical community would establish evidence that being trans-race was a real affliction and insurance companies and even the taxpayer would be forced to pay for race change operations if the person were in prison and race-confused.

People changing their race has already been done. Light skinned black folk use to straighten their hair and lighten their skin as an attempt to "pass" as white.
Race in America is becoming increasingly more abstract. All that really matters is if you're white or not. Obama is just as white as he is black and yet he's called black. Being raised by white folk, you could make the argument he's "more" white. Then thing about race is it's how the world perceives you where-as these gender issues seem to be about how people view themselves.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:09 pm to
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Race in America is becoming increasingly more abstract


Increasingly? It has always been abstract.

Back during Jim Crow days, if you were 1/16 black in Virginia, you were "black." If you were 1/8 black in Florida, you were "black." If you had even a drop of black blood in your ancestry in Alabama, you were black.

How does "Race" change when you cross a state line if it isn't arbitrary and a social construct? The whole thing is false.

Obama is white. He is Kenyan too. But, black overrides. Why? Because of the social designation. I am English/Irish/German, but it is called "white". Why? Because that is what the English came up with around 1690 to consolidate power in the colonies and develop a firm master/servant class based on color of skin. It was a new innovation.

And, a social construct.
Posted by Creoleshmuck
New Hampshire
Member since Apr 2013
22 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 12:36 am to
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Increasingly? It has always been abstract.


You're absolutely right.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 1:13 am to
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Then thing about race is it's how the world perceives you where-as these gender issues seem to be about how people view themselves.


Yep. Bingo.

So, when you consider that Americans used to see themselves most clearly as a part of the family/community/state/nation before they saw themselves as an individual and that freedom was the freedom to do one's duty rather than the freedom to do what one wanted, you can understand why the societal designation mattered the most.

Now, we have made the shift from family/community to "self" as the locus of authority so what matters most is how one sees themselves. It is logical when you think about it.

I think I finally understand how it is logical and consistent for the homosexual to claim the same status as the black person in the fight for civil rights. Since it is all a social construct anyway and since the locus of authority has moved from society to the individual, then they can claim whatever they want, desire, or feel without any type of scientific or social backing. The power to take this approach is granted by the majority under the guise of "who am I to tell a person who they can love?" The larger culture now bows to the desires of the individual.

It is quite an historic shift.

The issue now becomes, of course, with this established, what is next? That is not the slippery-slope fallacy. It is a foregone conclusion. Other groups will now spring up demanding rights and they will either be granted or denied for a time. But, both the granting and the denial of these rights will only be based on the mood of the populace, not any type of objective scientific claims. There won't be any "proof" for it at all, yet all of society will alter itself to accommodate the new "reality."

Of course, we will just be following in the footsteps of English Colonists in the 1600s who did the same thing to establish their own power/superiority void of any type of real science or theological dictate.
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