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re: Russians on the move...
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:28 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:28 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Your head is in the sand if you don't think Putin was in charge then
And yours is up Obama's arse, if you don't think 6 yrs of incompetency hasn't contributed to the destabilization and unrest in the rest of the world under our current foreign policies.
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Russia rolled in literally days after Putin "stepped" down as president. Even as Prime Minister he was in charge.
This doesn't have quite the ring, as you saying.. I was wrong in my assertion.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:29 pm to Alahunter
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Georgia was invaded in May of 2008, when Putin was not in office as President, as claimed by Homey.
Putin afforded Medvedev little rope to run around on. He's never relinquished his hold on power in Russia.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:30 pm to Navytiger74
The claim was Putin was President at that time. It's pretty simple to make the determination of if he was or not. He was not.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:30 pm to Alahunter
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And yours is up Obama's arse, if you don't think 6 yrs of incompetency hasn't contributed to the destabilization and unrest in the rest of the world under our current foreign policies.
no i think Obama has had lots of mistakes but Putin doesn't care
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:30 pm to Navytiger74
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He's never relinquished his hold on power in Russia.
This
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:31 pm to Alahunter
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The claim was Putin was President at that time. It's pretty simple to make the determination of if he was or not. He was not.
Putin was in charge regardless of title
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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no i think Obama has had lots of mistakes but Putin doesn't care
And I think 6 yrs of failed policies, incompetent people, and a weak President here, contributed a great deal to it.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:31 pm to Alahunter
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6 yrs of incompetency hasn't contributed to the destabilization and unrest in the rest of the world under our current foreign policies.
It could be this.
It could also be almost 13 years of war and the rest of the world knwoing that the American public is war-weary and not likely to support any more foreign incursions.
To be honest, it's probably some combination of the two. However, I'm not really sure how Obama was supposed to play the Ukrainian crisis and the Syrian crisis given the war-weary nature of the country.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Putin was in charge regardless of title
It's ok to say you were wrong.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:32 pm to boosiebadazz
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To be honest, it's probably some combination of the two
I can agree to that.
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However, I'm not really sure how Obama was supposed to play the Ukrainian crisis and the Syrian crisis given the war-weary nature of the country.
Competent people in positions of foreign policy over 6 of those 13 yrs would probably have led to different scenarios in a lot of instances.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:34 pm to Alahunter
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It's ok to say you were wrong.
Then who was in charge?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:36 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Which territories did Putin invade during Bush's term when he was serving his first term as Russian President?
Georgia
That was the question, and your answer.
Really. It's ok to say you made a mistake and were wrong.
Georgia
That was the question, and your answer.
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Then who was in charge?
Really. It's ok to say you made a mistake and were wrong.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:39 pm to Alahunter
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Really. It's ok to say you made a mistake and were wrong.
you got me by 2 weeks
but really who was calling the shots if it wasn't Putin
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:40 pm to Alahunter
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And I think 6 yrs of failed policies, incompetent people, and a weak President here, contributed a great deal to it.
Would you say you have a nuanced grasp of foreign policy and world events? Your posts read like AM radio talking points. If you actually have some information, or even a valuable insight, to support the position that you've taken (Russia's invasion of Ukraine is in some way directly attributable to Russia's perception of the current president's personal weakness and/or ineptitude) I'd be happy to hear it. I'm an open-minded person.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:43 pm to Navytiger74
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Would you say you have a nuanced grasp of foreign policy and world events?
No more than the average joe on here, maybe less at times.
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Your posts read like AM radio talking points
Hardly ever listen to talk radio, unless its sports.
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If you actually have some information, or even a valuable insight, to support the position that you've taken
Just an opinion, like anyone else's on here. I don't think it's unreasonable to draw a conclusion, that extremely weak foreign policy over the last 6 yrs has emboldened those who would seek more power and territory, knowing that we are inconsistent, indecisive and unable to formulate any type of well defined response.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:44 pm to Navytiger74
I hate Obama but I don't think he's the one at fault. Putin is. Because he's a psychpath. Cancelling the missile shield didn't help. Neither did the war in Iraq.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I hate Obama but I don't think he's the one at fault. Putin is. Because he's a psychpath
Exactly
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Cancelling the missile shield didn't help
Not at all, thinking US/Russian relations where getting better was a smoke screen. But that wouldn't stop them rolling through Ukraine
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Neither did the war in Iraq.
To the east we have no moral ground to bitch about the Russian Empire trying to start back up.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:47 pm to Alahunter
Say Obama wanted to go throw our big dick around militarily.
DO you think he had the domestic support to put boots on the ground in Syria or the Ukraine?
DO you think he had the domestic support to put boots on the ground in Syria or the Ukraine?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:50 pm to Alahunter
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I don't think it's unreasonable to draw a conclusion, that extremely weak foreign policy over the last 6 yrs has emboldened those who would seek more power and territory, knowing that we are inconsistent, indecisive and unable to formulate any type of well defined response.
obama was hamstrung with two wars when he went into office, and a general distaste for war. This really hampered his options for putting boots on the ground anywhere.
I totally agree he is very indecisive and that probably hurts him a bit, so does the red line for syria. But the reality is putin is fricking evil and doesn't care at all about what obama does. Just like with Bush, he is going to push what he wants.
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