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re: Russians on the move...
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:22 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:22 am to boosiebadazz
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I'm good with everyone not named Russia getting an invite to NATO.
I believe one stipulation for NATO is "no ongoing border disputes". It'd be a bad idea anyway, though. Russia legitimately feels encircled and they remain a proud country. No sense further cornering them. Putin will pay a price for this bullshite, but it should be proportional. If we hold to the sanctions, they will hurt them in the intermediate-long term.
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:25 am to Navytiger74
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Putin will pay a price for this bullshite, but it should be proportional. If we hold to the sanctions, they will hurt them in the intermediate-long term.
I disagree, unless Western Europe gets on board.
At this point, what is stopping Putin from formenting unrest in any non-NATO country? As long as the Europeans are still dragging their feet on real sanctions, he's got carte blanche to kick the antbed in any non-NATO country.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:38 pm to boosiebadazz
Outside of the US and Britain, Nato is a joke. Putin knows that all too well. Having said the obvious, whether we actually had a real leader in office or not, Europe needs to quit acting like a bunch of welfare recipients and get it together. We have more troops in Germany than we do in Korea. Why can't the Europeans defend themselves? They have a $18 trillion dollar economy and over 500 million people. It's time they start carrying their own weight.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:03 pm to Kino74
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Outside of the US and Britain, Nato is a joke.
Yea um no Poland, Italy, Canada and Germany are not to be fricked with.Throw in the Aussies who would have our and the UK's back.
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. Having said the obvious, whether we actually had a real leader in office or not,
It wouldn't matter who was POTUS. Putin does not care.
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Europe needs to quit acting like a bunch of welfare recipients and get it together. We have more troops in Germany than we do in Korea. Why can't the Europeans defend themselves?
You know why right. Its to make sure Russians don't start rolling through western europe
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hey have a $18 trillion dollar economy and over 500 million people. It's time they start carrying their own weight.
As someone who has worked with NATO before, id have to say this post is pretty ignorant.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:06 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It wouldn't matter who was POTUS
Any other President, would likely have had competent people in positions of foreign affairs and many things would be different than they are today.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:08 pm to Alahunter
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Any other President, would likely have had competent people in positions of foreign affairs and many things would be different than they are today.
Lulz
Putin gives zero fricks. KGB Lt Col with dreams of bringing back the doctrine of imperial Russia.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:08 pm to Kino74
It's the all-for-one, one-for-all aspect of NATO that would repel Putin from invading a member country.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:11 pm to speckledtrout
Isn't this kinda like how we got Texas from Mexico?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Everyone knows he is former KGB. Lulz all you want. But the incompetence throughout this President's term is contributing factors to the impotence the U.S. has on foreign issues at the moment. Show me another President that has received as much disrespect from a Russian leader, as this one has.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:16 pm to Alahunter
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Everyone knows he is former KGB. Lulz all you want. But the incompetence throughout this President's term is contributing factors to the impotence the U.S. has on foreign issues at the moment.
Putin does not care who is in charge, this has been his gameplan for years.
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Show me another President that has received as much disrespect from a Russian leader, as this one has.
Bush
Show me another Russian leader in the modern day like Putin.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:17 pm to boosiebadazz
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At this point, what is stopping Putin from formenting unrest in any non-NATO country? As long as the Europeans are still dragging their feet on real sanctions,
Well the Europeans have a lot more at stake if Putin decides to economically retaliate. Our exposure is much more limited.
On the bright side, the US could unilaterally limit Russian participation in international markets by freezing many of their foreign holdings and limiting their ability to conduct certain kinds of transactions. We can apply a lot of non-kenetic pain to Russia without European aid--though we'd certain have some support.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:20 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Putin does not care who is in charge, this has been his gameplan for years.
Yet, he didn't invade or threaten old USSR territories until the current President.
Which territories did Putin invade during Bush's term when he was serving his first term as Russian President?
The fact remains, that the U.S. has had a shambles and joke of foreign policy under the current administration, and it has been a HUGE factor in the conditions and lack of influence on foreign countries, including Russia.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:22 pm to Alahunter
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Yet, he didn't invade or threaten old USSR territories until the current President.
Which territories did Putin invade during Bush's term when he was serving his first term as Russian President?
Georgia
And even as PM Putin was pulling the strings. His third term as president.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Try again. Putin wasn't President at that particular time.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:26 pm to Alahunter
Wasn't the war with Georgia under Bush?
ETA:
at you hiding behind the Mevedev card
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at you hiding behind the Mevedev card This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:26 pm to Alahunter
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Try again. Putin wasn't President at that particular time.
Your head is in the sand if you don't think Putin was in charge then.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:26 pm to boosiebadazz
Georgia was invaded in May of 2008, when Putin was not in office as President, as claimed by Homey.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:27 pm to boosiebadazz
Hey, he specifically stated Putin invaded while Bush was President.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:27 pm to Alahunter
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Yet, he didn't invade or threaten old USSR territories until the current President.
Which territories did Putin invade during Bush's term when he was serving his first term as Russian President?
Well it's actually tough to figure what all went into Putin's decision making here. Rest assured he knows one shite-ton more about US capabilities and tripwires than you do, so he probably knows that no president (Reagan, Bush, or Obama) would militarily retaliate against Russian agression in a non-NATO country with which it has deep historical ties. Why he chose this moment is anyone's guess. It could be internally driven. It could be whimsical. It could be the two worthless wars we've wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of lives in. Whatever it is, I doubt it has anything to do with the incumbent president. Obama is not regarded as a dove by anyone who isn't a half wit. Putin isn't a half wit.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:28 pm to Alahunter
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Georgia was invaded in May of 2008, when Putin was not in office as President, as claimed by Homey.
Russia rolled in literally days after Putin "stepped"
down as president. Even as Prime Minister he was in charge.
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