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re: RIP Louis Zamperini--a great American and testimony to power of redemption
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:54 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:54 pm to I B Freeman
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Now Porky you know Rex doesn't believe you can be liberal and a Christain. He thinks you are idiot for believing as you do.
Politically, I'm not sure what I am but I'm quite liberal regarding religious beliefs of others. And that might be kinda screwed up by some Christian standards. I don't know.
Back on subject...the book "Unbroken" is an incredible story on many levels. I do believe Rex could enjoy it if he can manage to take a step outside himself when reading it.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 8:11 pm
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 8:14 pm to Porky
quote:Dog suit might be helpful
if he can manage to take a step outside himself when reading it.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 8:21 pm to Diamondawg
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1. an act of redeeming or atoning for a fault or mistake, or the state of being redeemed.
2.deliverance; rescue.
This is the more way I perceived Louie's redemption in the book. But first, Louie had to break through his own dysfunctional methods of coping, ego boundaries, and defenses of his own making to see and choose a better path. I think that Louie listening Billy Graham's message helped him acknowledge what he had been refusing to acknowledge...that he had been getting in his own way.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 8:30 pm to Porky
quote:Yeah - have not read the book yet but watched a 2010 interview with him today and that's what I took from it.
1. an act of redeeming or atoning for a fault or mistake, or the state of being redeemed.
2.deliverance; rescue.
This is the more way I perceived Louie's redemption in the book. But first, Louie had to break through his own dysfunctional methods of coping, ego boundaries, and defenses of his own making to see and choose a better path.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:51 pm to Rex
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I find that religionists are too quick to discount the strengths and talents of people. Mr. Zamperini was obviously a strong-willed and courageous man.
I agree that Louie was a strong-willed, talented individual. He was an innovative and determined man. He had strengths that helped get him through the many challenges he encountered during his time at sea and as a prisoner. But his most challenging encounter came about after his return home from war. This had more to do with the enemy manifesting within himself than it did with anything external. At that point, it took a while before he could even recognize the enemy.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:53 am to Rex
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Yes, I do have some ideas. I find that religionists are too quick to discount the strengths and talents of people. Mr. Zamperini was obviously a strong-willed and courageous man. He didn't need Billy Graham to turn his life around; he had himself.
I woke up this morning thinking about this--how crazy is that?
You know the arrogance and intolerance it takes to believe that you or I have the life experiences it takes to challenge Zamperini??
Think about that Rex. You confidently, arrogantly declare Zamperini doesn't know what he is talking about when he attributes his redemption to God. Who are you to challenge what the man believes?? Have you anywhere close to the life experiences the man had?
I am very tolerant of religious beliefs and believe men have corrupted churches throughout history but I am not arrogant enough to declare that 100 generations of Christians are wrong. I recognize my lack of authority to comment on such things. I am a Christian and believe in God but I don't hold it against anyone who is not.
I do think it ignorant arrogance to challenge what a man such as Zamperini believes. There are very few people who have faced death as many times as he did before he came to redemption.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:54 pm to I B Freeman
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You confidently, arrogantly declare Zamperini doesn't know what he is talking about when he attributes his redemption to God. Who are you to challenge what the man believes?? Have you anywhere close to the life experiences the man had?
I am very tolerant of religious beliefs and believe men have corrupted churches throughout history but I am not arrogant enough to declare that 100 generations of Christians are wrong.
Turns out I was correct, doesn't it? This thread is more about the power of your religion than Mr. Zamperini. He was only a convenient excuse to start one.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:19 pm to Rex
U have to attention whore 24-7
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:28 pm to Rex
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Turns out I was correct, doesn't it? This thread is more about the power of your religion than Mr. Zamperini. He was only a convenient excuse to start one.
No this thread was not about the power of my religion. I did not start this thread to discuss religion. You brought it up.
The last couple of posts I made were about your arrogance and your whining.
The mere mention of redemption you called "unfair" and said it should be taken down. Do you think steeples should be removed from your view too? stars of David?
You are a small, smug individual to think the world should conform to your idea of what is offensive and that you more than the man himself know the root of his strength to abandon his destructive path.
Louis Zamperini is an American hero who led a remarkable life. He attributes his remarkable redemption to prayers at a Billy Graham sermon.
Just who are you to question him?
You just aren't as smart as you think yourself to be.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:30 pm to Rex
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You know VERY WELL that if I had started a thread about Pat Tillman but my thesis was that the greatest thing about him was that he was an atheist spreading the worth of freethought and reason people such as yourself would make a beeline for the RA button, and it would get anchored or whacked.
You truly are an idiot. Pat Tillman was A MAN, better than his peers and better than me or you, atheist or not.
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