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re: Rest of store video revealed, news site says "gotcha"
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:18 am to a want
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:18 am to a want
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How hard is it for a journalist to ask the fricking store clerk/manager if he paid for or stole the cigars. Jesus H Christ.
Pretty sure I read he has refused to speak to the media.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:28 am to The Spleen
Stores don't report every stolen item, especially small things. shite, retailers don't even report most thefts.
But yes, the question then becomes why did the police initially approach him?
But yes, the question then becomes why did the police initially approach him?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:34 am to rintintin
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But yes, the question then becomes why did the police initially approach him?
First it's easy to see if a theft was phoned in. It is just as easy to tell if a theft was reported via radio to the cops out on patrol.
Third, the cop could tell you if he heard the report and whether or not he went back to stop Brown because of that report. That would be harder to prove.
ETA, if the store never reported the altercation, how did the cops know there was one to begin with? They sure got the tape fast didn't they?
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:36 am to doubleb
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First it's easy to see if a theft was phoned in. It is just as easy to tell if a theft was reported via radio to the cops out on patrol.
Third, the cop could tell you if he heard the report and whether or not he went back to stop Brown because of that report. That would be harder to prove.
theft was phoned in by another customer
the police said that the officer didn't stop brown as a suspect in the robbery.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:36 am to ApexTiger
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2nd, there is another statement from the store owner that states they never called in a "theft".
A female customer in the store called in the altercation...
The store owner has an attorney and is refusing to speak publicly about the incident. You already saw what happened to the QT that was wrongly associated with the circumstances and then the fact that this convenience store was looted the day this surveillance tape came out.
The owner doesn't want his shite destroyed.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:37 am to rintintin
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But yes, the question then becomes why did the police initially approach him?
There have been answers to that question and no conflicting versions. He was initially stopped because he was walking in the middle of the street. If you come across some other explanation for that initial stop, please link.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:37 am to Hawkeye95
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the police said that the officer didn't stop brown as a suspect in the robbery.
initially, but upon pulling away got the radio dispatch about the strong armed robbery and reversed to confront the two.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:38 am to rintintin
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But yes, the question then becomes why did the police initially approach him?
because him and his buddy were walking in the middle of the street
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:43 am to Choctaw
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because him and his buddy were walking in the middle of the street
I don't see how this is even debatable... Darian said that the cop initially approached and told them to get out of the road and the friend of the cop, who spoke on the radio, said that it was the reason he initially confronted them.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:43 am to Willie Stroker
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There have been answers to that question and no conflicting versions. He was initially stopped because he was walking in the middle of the street. If you come across some other explanation for that initial stop, please link.
Yes, but according to the family friend on the radio show: after he stopped them for walking in street, the cop returned/backed up ...and maybe went too close to them in the process... the kid matched a description of a report of theft/robbery at the convenience store. ?? Of course this is heresay...so who knows how accurate it is.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:45 am to a want
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the kid matched a description of a report of theft/robbery at the convenience store. ?? Of course this is heresay...so who knows how accurate it is.
The police chief said this too, so I'd say it is a fact at this point
Wilson initially confronts them to get out of the road.... He pulls away and stops to see if they do... While waiting, he gets a call over the radio and notices that these two either match description or have cigars in their hands... Reverses to confront them again.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:48 am to ApexTiger
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According to the stores attorney, the owners were bewildered when the police approached them demanding the surveillance tapes.
So Ferguson PD randomly picked a business to check their surveillance tapes to see if perhaps Micheal Brown might be on it?
And then happened to get a hit... man that is really really lucky. God must have sent them there.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:50 am to Lsut81
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The owner doesn't want his shite destroyed.
At this point, he's concerned about somebody killing him, IMHO.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:50 am to Lsut81
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The police chief said this too, so I'd say it is a fact at this point
The only problem is the police chief's version is based on Wilson's (the cop) account. The family friend/radio caller is also basing her account on Wilson's account as told to his wife. Then the wife told her friend ( the radio caller). So it's not really corroboration. It's just repeating Wilson's story.
--eta--
but if he did "get a little too close" when backing up that might explain what set Brown off...and led to him allegedly slamming the door on Wilson.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:53 am to a want
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The only problem is the police chief's version is based on Wilson's (the cop) account. The family friend/radio caller is also basing her account on Wilson's account as told to his wife. Then the wife told her friend - who was the radio caller. So it's not really corroboration. It's just repeating Wilson's story.
Exactly why it has to be investigated.
But you don't riot and burn down the city first.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:55 am to Bard
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All that video shows is him leaning over a counter. There may have been an exchange of money, but you can't really tell.
Why would he lean all the way into the counter just to pay? He was grabbing things.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:56 am to a want
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The only problem is the police chief's version is based on Wilson's (the cop) account. The family friend/radio caller is also basing her account on Wilson's account as told to his wife. Then the wife told her friend - who was the radio caller. So it's not really corroboration. It's just repeating Wilson's story.
--eta--
but if he did "get a little too close" when backing up that might explain what set Brown off...and led to him possibly slamming the door on Wilson.
chief later came out and said the box of cigars had nothing to do with the stop
LINK
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Officer Darren Wilson had no idea 18-year-old Michael Brown was a suspected robber when he stopped the teenager and his pal, the chief later admitted.
“They were walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic, that was it,” said Ferguson, Mo., police chief Thomas Jackson.
The theft of a $48.99 box of Swisher Sweets cigars from a convenience store “had nothing to do with the stop,” the chief said.
the police are trying to character assassinate michael brown.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:58 am to a want
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The only problem is the police chief's version is based on Wilson's (the cop) account.
While quite possible... I'd imagine and hope that there are radio communications that back this up. That could be what the Chief is basing his statement off of. We really don't know.
I've said in the big thread that the radio communications are one of the biggest things we are missing and it was stated at some point that Wilson called for back up prior to the incident. I don't remember where that came from, but it was said.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:00 am to Hawkeye95
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the police are trying to character assassinate michael brown.
And the media was trying to tell us he was a boy scout.
The fact Brown had apparently been involved in a theft 10minutes before the stop is relevant to Brown's state of mind. Most who want to know what happened would want to know this.
The timing of the release; however, didn't seem to be appropriate but how ironic is it that the people who cry for the truth and for facts get upset when they only get facts that don't back up their preconceived notion of the characters and of events.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:04 am to Hawkeye95
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chief later came out and said the box of cigars had nothing to do with the stop
Unless I'm misreading that article... nothing in there says what the headline states.
The chief came out and said that Wilson was unaware of the robbery when the initial contact took place.... That is not the same as Wilson reengaging them, which led to the shooting.
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