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re: Resegregation in the American South

Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:00 pm to
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But the kids that go there are no more or less intelligent than anyone else at another school.


Not sure I agree with this. The poor and unintelligent tend live in close proximity and breed. So it would not be shocking to learn that low IQed individuals make up large percentages of certain communities.
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:10 pm to
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Not saying it isn't possible to succeed coming from a tough environment, but it is infinitely more difficult as generations of data show most people born into a given socio-economic class die in the same class as do their children.

Statistically, this is true. Regarding my situation, I was fortunate to have well educated parents who emphasized education. And my mother was a teacher. She taught me how to read by the age of four. I didn't read really well but I could read as well as kids three years older than me at that age. This is why I know that the proper guidance is the most important factor to success.

I believe the unsuccessful cycle can be broken with proper guidance. This can come from resources within the community or possibly at school but people need to be made aware. If these resources (such as after school tutoring and study groups) aren't readily available they need to be.

With repetition and guidance, learning can become a habit. I graduated from college years ago and I still go to the public library as often as I can. I love to read and the more I learn, the more I realize how important it is to continue learning.

Public schools should offer classes on techniques of self-improvement, "how to study", and where to go to get help.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 7:32 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:53 pm to
I think anyone of average intelligence can do well at school and score well on tests with repetion, practice and some teaching. Reps and practice are the keys though as learning is a skill. Aptitude plays a part, but the the keys are diligence over time justlike anything else. Elementary school is key to build a base to learn from though.

My mom was a teacher as well. We lived in Birmingham, middle class when I was young, my mom taught at a private school which I went to for elementary school. Being middle class we could never have afforded it, but for children of teachers there, tution was waived. I got a great early education and was way way ahead when I started to a decent public school. Made in the low 20s when I took the act in 7th grade, then slept (literally) through high school, mostly making C's.

Point is an early foundation through the schools is very important. A lack of one can be overcome, but it takes a lot more effort. These kids that go to shitty element schools are behind the 8 ball from the start.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:55 pm to
Disagree about the part of the unintelligent living together and breeding btw.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 8:20 pm to
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Disagree about the part of the unintelligent living together and breeding btw.


So then what explains families stuck in a cycle of poverty? How to explain the issue in the OP regarding Central Public School?
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 8:39 pm to
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Point is an early foundation through the schools is very important. A lack of one can be overcome, but it takes a lot more effort. These kids that go to shitty element schools are behind the 8 ball from the start.


Good point. Here's another issue: Back when I was in grade school, a principal could still paddle a young butt. And most kids who misbehaved got their butt straightened out when they got home as well. We were afraid to act out. And I'm not referring to abuse. Schools nowadays can't install a healthy "fear factor" into young, misbehaving minds. And I'm not sure that it's employed in a healthy or responsible manner at home either. It's much different these days.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 8:44 pm
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:07 pm to
This thread is an exercise in mental masturbation. It's pretty clear that after more than 50 years of forcing people to go to school together, this experiment is a colossal failure.

It doesn't make the different races want to live with each other, in fact it appears that race relations are no better and may even be worse than before.

What it has been, is a waste of time and money, and in all honesty the government shouldn't be trying to force people to live in the same neighborhoods if they don't want to do so.

LC
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:08 pm to
Agree with that as well. I got sent home from school and paddled in the principals office twice in school, both times for fighting. My dad wore my arse out when I got home. I was terrified of his zebrabelt and the zebra markings they would leave on my arse.

A little fear of the repercussions when you frick up never hurt anda good arse whupping works wonders IMO.
Posted by CMPunkBITW
Red Stick
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:20 pm to
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What does that tell any rationally thinking person? For one, it tells that the high grades and honors courses D’Leisha took at her high school were a total joke


This. I attend a local nursing school and the curriculum is pretty intense and having a high C to B average is considered pretty good. And the NCLEX (national boards you have to pass to be an RN) passing average for the school has consistently been 98-100% the last five years. Well another local school with predominantly AA's that use the same books/curriculum as us has a higher GPA grades wise than our school but their NCLEX passing rate is around 80% the last five years. So obviously they are not putting them through the ringer for testing purposes when they are not passing boards the same rate as most nursing schools.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:50 pm to
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It's pretty clear that after more than 50 years of forcing people to go to school together, this experiment is a colossal failure.

It doesn't make the different races want to live with each other, in fact it appears that race relations are no better and may even be worse than before.



I tend to agree. People can now live where they want so there's no good reason that we can't have neighborhood schools all over the country. That's how we do it in LA and most LAUSD schools end up being overwhelmingly non-white. Nobody seems to consider it racist.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:30 pm to
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Disagree about the part of the unintelligent living together and breeding btw.

You're gonna have to do better than that.

Are you disagreeing because you think that two low IQ people have roughly the same odds of giving birth to smart children as two high IQ people?

Personally, I think one of the worst things we ever inflicted upon minorities is public housing. Basically, we took all the folks who have had much poorer results at making positive life decision(along with many social pathologies) and put them all in one place where they can be virtually unaffected(and therefore, uninfluenced) by people who have done better at making solid life decisions(and have fewer social pathologies).

The results have been predictable.

And sorry, no. Two dumb people are not as likely to have a kid with a high IQ as to smart people.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:14 am to
D'leisha should just apply to Ole Miss and State. Problem solved (referring to her 17 ACT)
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:17 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:08 am to
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I tend to agree. People can now live where they want so there's no good reason that we can't have neighborhood schools all over the country. That's how we do it in LA and most LAUSD schools end up being overwhelmingly non-white. Nobody seems to consider it racist.

the very article calling the south re-segregated notes that the majority of the "apartheid" schools aren't even in the fricking south

that gets 1 sentence of a long arse article
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:11 am to
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the very article calling the south re-segregated notes that the majority of the "apartheid" schools aren't even in the fricking south

that gets 1 sentence of a long arse article

The funny part is, that sentence effectively GUTS the entire point of the article but the writer is so well indoctrinated, they didn't even notice.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:17 am to
in the bigger picture, it is just insane that they're implying that the south needs to be ruled over...because if not it will mimic the behaviors of the rest of the country? the main point is just mindblowing, looking at the entire country
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:21 am to
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in the bigger picture, it is just insane that they're implying that the south needs to be ruled over...because if not it will mimic the behaviors of the rest of the country?
I know. That's the amusing part. The thesis basically seems to be, "look, the north is unintentionally behaving in a racist way but the South, being full of racists would like to duplicate the north".

Writer seems completely oblivious to the fact that with MUCH larger black populations in the south(as a percentage) and the fact they tend to be concentrated, you are almost destined to have some schools be majority black.

And I'm sorry. The majority of the reason those schools end up sucking(on top of just having bad students) is that any teacher worth a shite that happens to work in one can't wait to get a job elsewhere.

I had a teacher in the tidewater tell me he took a pay cut to get out of Hampton schools. Why? Because he said if he wanted to have a job where his physical safety was in danger, he wouldn't have studied teaching.
Posted by DR Hops
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:26 am to
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TejasHorn


Wow, it only took 1 post to make you look stupid. I think that's a new record.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422407 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:30 am to
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Writer seems completely oblivious to the fact that with MUCH larger black populations in the south(as a percentage) and the fact they tend to be concentrated, you are almost destined to have some schools be majority black.

well the one thing that was fricked up in this case was how they gerrymandered the super white district around the university out

be that as it may, they discuss your point in the article. there was no way to split the baby, and one of the schools was going to be a very high % of black population. hell even in the deseg era i think they were all majority black
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9113 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:53 am to
Ironically, that gerrymandered area contains quite a few University faculty who trend liberal on the political spectrum.

There was a great statistic posted in the comments section of the article from a person that went to high school in Tuscaloosa back in the 90s. It showed the current demographic %s of the other city/county school enrollments in the area which were all in the 60/40 to 80/20 demographic range. Hillcrest, Northridge, Bryant, and Tuscaloosa County all had a relatively large mix of black and white students. I guess including the other 85% of students in the city and county wouldn't have painted the picture the authors were looking for.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:04 am to
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Disagree about the part of the unintelligent living together and breeding btw.


Do you think intelligent people commonly breed with unintelligent people? With the possible exception of trophy wives, this is never the case. The cycle of poverty is often not just an economic matter but it is also a cycle of ignorance.

I spent much of my childhood in poverty due to some unfortunate circumstances in my family. My parents, however, were both well educated and I was always at the top of my class while attending low income schools.

Not every kid has the same potential.
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