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Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:42 pm to Hawkeye95
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Mcconnell may have just known he needed to get a vote done to shut down the crowd
Maybe, but still the Senate Majority Leader bringing a bill to the floor that only needs a simple majority that fails, is a major failure for him. The optics are terrible. Add to it that it is a bill that has had MAJOR Republican support for 7 years now. And it was such an unorthodox way of proceeding. He likely recovers, but it's a huge black eye for him the next few months.
Contrast it with how Pelosi and Reid whipped the hell out of votes in 2009 and 2010. They didn't bring it to the floor until they knew they had the votes to pass it. Or even Ryan a month ago with his bill.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:47 pm to Hawkeye95
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since he is in all likelihood going to die soon.
Not soon enough
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:48 pm to ShortyRob
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100% the democrats saying nyet
Well, when the Democrats were in control 100% of Republicans cryed "nyet", and yet bills were passed and the democratic agenda went forward. At what point do we finally acknowledge that Trump, Ryan and McConnell all lack leadership skills?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:50 pm to The Spleen
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Contrast it with how Pelosi and Reid whipped the hell out of votes in 2009 and 2010. They didn't bring it to the floor until they knew they had the votes to pass it. Or even Ryan a month ago with his bill.
McConnell has a track record of being an excellent political tactician. Which should lead you to question why he'd have a vote that he didn't know was going to pass (or not).
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:50 pm to tarzana
quote:At what point do you finally acknowledge that "leadership" isn't the problem when rogues and mavericks who pride themselves on their independent voting habits are holding progress hostage?
At what point do we finally acknowledge that Trump, Ryan and McConnell all lack leadership skills?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:52 pm to The Spleen
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Maybe, but still the Senate Majority Leader bringing a bill to the floor that only needs a simple majority that fails, is a major failure for him. The optics are terrible. Add to it that it is a bill that has had MAJOR Republican support for 7 years now. And it was such an unorthodox way of proceeding. He likely recovers, but it's a huge black eye for him the next few months.
he could have taken one for 2018, he is crafty enough tor ealize this bill was shite.
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Contrast it with how Pelosi and Reid whipped the hell out of votes in 2009 and 2010. They didn't bring it to the floor until they knew they had the votes to pass it. Or even Ryan a month ago with his bill.
The democratic party has a semblance of connective tissue, the republicans is bone on bone. they hate each other.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:54 pm to tarzana
Maybe the Republicans don't put party first
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:54 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Naw they are hive like in their actions.
The democratic party has a semblance of connective tissue
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:56 pm to Jbird
I'm also glad the bill failed. Not for the same reasons though. Now Obamacare can safely fail and the RINOs and Democrats are fully on the hook to accept responsibility for it. It's honestly a win win considering it was a shitty bandaid anyway.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:00 pm to Hawkeye95
Why cant infrastructure go forward? Its not like all 435 are working on hc bill.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:07 pm to Hawkeye95
So what he has said no to everything. Except he and Graham proposal
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:11 pm to asurob1
quote:Watch pigs fly.
What are you going to do...when it doesn't fail.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:14 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Say what you want about the dems, they have their shite together and move in lock-step
It's remarkable. It's like they all share one brain.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:15 pm to FooManChoo
quote:What a crock of shite. Their people elected them. Their job isn't to vote lockstep like mindless drones.
At what point do you finally acknowledge that "leadership" isn't the problem when rogues and mavericks who pride themselves on their independent voting habits are holding progress hostage?
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:19 pm to Hawkeye95
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sometimes you have to kill a chicken to keep the monkey's quiet.
What the?
Who are you Dan Rather?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:20 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
How do more people on this board not understand this?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:25 pm to Hawkeye95
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It did nothing to curtail the rise of premiums
Is government action really the only thing in the universe that can accomplish this?
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when you are in a situation where you want to pass a bill, and hope the other legislative body doesn't pass it you aren't making good decisions for the country.
How about voting for a bill in hopes that it will be vetoed?
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Republicans can still blame healthcare of obama.
Silver lining
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:29 pm to FooManChoo
But...wasn't Obama able to flip the votes of Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu and several Congressmen, to secure the passage of his signature bill? Trump doesn't act, he simply REACTS.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:43 pm to tarzana
quote:My post was simply an observation.
Well, when the Democrats were in control 100% of Republicans cryed "nyet",
Did it say, "nothing will pass as long as those a-hole Democrats say nyet?"
Nope.
Just said nothing will pass as long as that is what they choose to do.
If you think that it is justified revenge, fine.
Doesn't change the reality of the situation.
quote:I think what you meant to post is, "when we will finally acknowledge that Democrats are a hive mind with no individual ideas of their own that can't be bought?
and yet bills were passed and the democratic agenda went forward. At what point do we finally acknowledge that Trump, Ryan and McConnell all lack leadership skills?
Is that what you meant to type?
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