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re: REPORT: Updated NASA Data NO Polar Ice Retreat
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:32 pm to MButterfly
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:32 pm to MButterfly
links would be nice
And if you had read the article I linked, they explained the differences in the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice.
So no, your scientist probably are not wrong.
And if you had read the article I linked, they explained the differences in the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice.
So no, your scientist probably are not wrong.
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:34 pm to Champagne
When I was a La. Senator, I got invited to the Corps of Engineers in Vicksburg to a day long meeting on Ice Melting and water rising that could affect us. They thought it was mostly phony and would not happen. But, If it did rise the water level, it could easily be fixed by digging canals around the country into places that really need water like California lettuce and fruit farms, Texas, La., and Florida, among others. Our Arab friends in the Middle East and North Africa really need the water. It can be de=salted easily now with Technology. Companies in Texas are now good at desalinination.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:37 pm to MButterfly
Legit as frick site, no bias at all.
Love how people on this site still deny global warming. I'm not talking about human made global warming, but to deny the Earth has slowly been getting hotter is asinine.
Love how people on this site still deny global warming. I'm not talking about human made global warming, but to deny the Earth has slowly been getting hotter is asinine.
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:39 pm to Salmon
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An article about an article from 2015 that has been debunked quite thoroughly? Interesting.
And here is the article being torn apart for anyone interested.
LINK
Sorry can't hear you with all the echoing going on in thread.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
That's right, it's all Big Science
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:44 pm to Superior Pariah
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Sorry can't hear you with all the echoing going on in my head.
FIFY
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:44 pm to Superior Pariah
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Sorry can't hear you with all the echoing going on in thread.
No you can't hear because your head is up your arse..... as usual Mr. unbiased Journalist.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:45 pm to AU_Right
Nice deflection, doesn't take away from his point that this whole thread has been a damn echo chamber of ridcolusness
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:53 pm to dawgfan24348
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Nice deflection
These climate threads end up being a whole lot of nothing...just making my contribution.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:54 pm to dawgfan24348
Follow the money, without studying something quite a few universities would lose funding. Keep the gravy train going.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:59 pm to AU_Right
This thread started with whole lot of nothing and ended when Salmon posted his link.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:59 pm to Salmon
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And here is the article being torn apart for anyone interested.
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sea ice behavior in the Arctic and Antarctic is responding to climate change in different ways, and we know why.
Heat melts Artic ice but freezes Antarctic! I guess that's why the put ant in front of its name!
From Jennifer Francis, Research Professor I, Department of Marine and Coastal Sciences, Rutgers University:
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In the graph below, it is obvious that Arctic sea ice is disappearing at a much faster rate than Antarctic ice is increasing.
Actually when I add the ice in both at the 1980 mark and the last one they are approximately equal! Maybe they don't teach chart reading at Rutgers?!
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Because the Antarctic is so much colder than the Arctic, it takes a much larger temperature increase to affect the sea ice, but eventually global warming will cause this sea ice to decline, as well.
Trust me. I'm a good person above reproach,
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Readers of articles such as this that claim to refute decades of peer-reviewed science must arm themselves with a healthy dose of skepticism — the good kind.
My skepticism is the good kind, because... well it's mine! But theirs opposes mine so it's the bad kind. Very bad!!
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Dig deeper, inform yourself, and don’t take one non-scientist’s take as gospel just because it supports a position that you hope is true.
Choose the side I hope is true! My grants and whole livelihood depends upon big daddy government handouts!
From Julienne Stroeve , Senior Research Scientist, National Snow and Ice Data Center
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The article is misleading and completely incorrect. It appears that the article is lumping together sea ice and ice sheets, although perhaps the author does not know the difference between sea ice and the ice on Greenland and Antarctica.
Wow, one sharp cookie here. She recognized that the author of the article she is refuting is lumping ALL ice on LAND and SEA, and on BOTH poles as "Polar Ice"! I wonder how she would define polar ice?! It would appear that she needs more education since she doesn't know the definition of polar ice!
Look guys this is an easy one!
If ice is melting, then sea level is rising. Find points at the sea coast that are neither rising or sinking (not in relation to the sea but in altitude) and measure the level of the sea. Has it changed?
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:02 pm to dawgfan24348
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echo chamber of ridcolusness
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A 1000-Year Record of Spring Sea Ice Conditions in Baffin Bay
A statistically significant shift in sea-ice conditions in the Penny Ice Cap record was noted to occur around 1420 AD, such that enhanced sea ice conditions have prevailed in this region of the Arctic during the past 600 years, as opposed to the reduced sea-ice conditions characteristic of the 11th through 14th centuries. As for the past 100 years, the authors note that "despite warmer temperatures during the turn of the century, sea-ice conditions in the Baffin Bay/Labrador Sea region, at least during the last 50 years, are within "Little Ice Age" variability."
Grumet, N.S., Wake, C.P., Mayewski, P.A., Zielinski, G.A., Whitlow, S.L., Koerner, R.M., Fisher, D.A. and Woollett, J.M. 2001. Variability of sea-ice extent in Baffin Bay over the last millennium
So what was the man made issues way back then?
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Has Arctic Sea Ice Rapidly Thinned?
Holloway, G. and Sou, T concluded that the volume estimated in 2000 is close to the volume estimated in 1950.
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Arctic Sea Ice: Is It Really Melting Away?
author analyzed data pertaining to the thickness of Arctic sea ice obtained from six submarine cruises conducted between 1991 and 1997. The data were acquired from transects covering the central Arctic Basin from 76° N to 90° N, as well as from two areas that have been particularly densely sampled, one centered around the North Pole (>87° N) and one in the central part of the Beaufort Sea (centered at approximately 76° N, 145°W).
What was learned
Transect data across the entire Arctic Basin revealed that mean Arctic sea ice thickness remained "almost constant" over the period of study. Data from the North Pole showed little variability, and a linear regression of the data revealed a "slight increasing trend for the whole period." As for the Beaufort Sea region, annual variability in sea ice thickness was greater than at the North Pole; but once again, "no significant trend" in mean ice thickness was found. Combining the North Pole results with the results of an earlier study, the author concluded that "mean ice thickness has remained on a near-constant level around the North Pole from 1986 to 1997."
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:03 pm to MButterfly
It's really annoying that you never link anything
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:15 pm to Gaspergou202
Sea levels you say..
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Sea Level (Southern Hemisphere Measurements)
Angulo, R.J., Lessa, G.C. and de Souza, M.C. 2006.
What was done
The authors conducted a critical review of paleo-sea-level assessments made along the eastern coast of Brazil over the past 35 years based on more than a thousand radiocarbon-dated sea-level indicator samples from fourteen coastal sectors.
What it means
Sea level appears to have been slowly dropping along the eastern coast of Brazil for several thousand years; but Angulo et al. say "it cannot be ruled out, however, that the late Holocene sea-level fall in Brazil underwent small-scale (few decimeters) oscillations, such as those proposed by Baker et al. (2001) for southeast Australia." This possibility takes on increased importance in view of claims of possible sea-level rise associated with human-induced global warming. If, for example, sea-level has oscillated somewhat over this period, it is possible that the sea-level's current modest rising mode may be nothing more than a small portion of a natural oscillation having nothing to do with the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content, which casts a pall of suspicion over climate-alarmist claims that the continued burning of fossil fuels will lead to the inundation of low-lying coastal areas and islands.
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Sea Level (North American Measurements)
The latest study to illustrate this glaring discrepancy comes from the work of Watson (2016). Providing context for his analysis, the Australian researcher writes that "with the very ethos of the climate change science and projection modelling underpinned by necessary and significant accelerations in mean sea level, numerous works in the scientific literature have been dedicated to measuring accelerations that might provide improved instruction on the future sea level trajectory." However, he argues that the methodologies used in many of these prior works have inherent limitations that "have largely proven inadequate in charting the subtle temporal changes in the characteristics of mean sea level." As a result, debate continues to reign on whether or not model projections of sea level rise are in line with observations.
Taking a new approach to the subject, Watson provides what he calls "an updated appraisal of acceleration in mean sea-level records around the continental United States through use of a recently developed analytical package," which he says has been "specifically designed to substantially enhance estimates of trend, real-time velocity, and acceleration in relative mean sea level derived from contemporary ocean-water-level data sets." In all, data from 29 locations around the US were utilized, each of which records contained a minimum of 80 years of length.
Watson reports that "at the 95% confidence level, no consistent or substantial evidence (yet) exists that recent rates of rise are higher or abnormal in the context of the historical records available for the United States, nor does any evidence exist that geocentric rates of rise are above the global average." In other words, there is nothing unusual, unnatural or unprecedented about current rates of sea level rise along the US coast, which rates continue to be at odds with model projections of future sea level rise
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:20 pm to MButterfly
This is absurd. I just read the other day in a popular scientific magazine the ice cap on Greenland was losing volume at the clip of 600 cubic miles each week!
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:20 pm to MButterfly
I love how on Memorial Day weekend...it's talk about destroying the planet.
What about the epidemic of humans destroying humans?
But the left doesn't care about that - that's population control to them.
They just worry about the planet for the future few who will own it.
What about the epidemic of humans destroying humans?
But the left doesn't care about that - that's population control to them.
They just worry about the planet for the future few who will own it.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:21 pm to Salmon
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It's really annoying that you never link anything
Do you have access to journals? Or do you want links to the few sites that will post them?
Like this one: Geophysical Research Letters 32: 10.1029/2005GL023097
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:24 pm to MButterfly
BTW... that study concluded that "the spatial patterns of the observed sea level trends in both oceans [were] identical to the spatial patterns of the EOFs-1 of the interannual SLA data," and that "the year-to-year variations of sea level showed coherence between the North Atlantic Oscillation, El Niño/La Niña and Pacific Decadal Oscillation events and respective gyre-scale changes."
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