re: Report: Autopsy analysis shows Michael Brown may have gone for Wilson’s gun

From what I have read, the store owners never called the cops on MB.

So the robbery may not be pertinent here. Who knows what Lead to brown being dead. Who are we to say that cop didn't aggressively attack brown first?

I find it hard to give policemen the benefit of the doubt with all these recent strings of power abuse and hyper aggressiveness.

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That poster follows me around the board, often picks out one or two words I've said which mean nothing by themselves, and attacks me rather than discuss the merits of what I've actually said.

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But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. - Matthew 5:39

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Luke 6:29

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44

I fall far short of this as well.

This evidence is all "sources"

Mainly, it's PDs leaking info to turn the tide. They did it when they released the store videos, against DOJ wishes, and when they held those press conferences and skewed case facts.

I'm not saying they aren't right, but how can this not be questioned as spin control? What is so reputable about this county's investigation office that leads you guys to take their word as gold?

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The truth is, Obama has gone out of his way to make a big deal out of situations ONLY when a white person was WRONGLY perceived to have done something wrong. Cambridge police matter, Trayvon Martin case, and Ferguson, MO.

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It was a "big deal" before Obama said anything. The protests started the day after the shooting and that turned into riots can continued. Five days later Obama spoke:

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President Obama, speaking to reporters at a hastily arranged news conference on Martha’s Vineyard, where he is vacationing, denounced attacks both on the police and on protesters, and pleaded for “peace and calm on the streets of Ferguson.” He said he had spoken to Mr. Nixon and confirmed that he had instructed the Justice Department and the F.B.I. to investigate the fatal shooting, “to help determine exactly what happened and to see that justice is done.

Mr. Obama said that local officials had “a responsibility to be open and transparent about how they are investigating that death.” And he said the Justice Department was consulting with the local officials about appropriate responses to the protests.

“There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting,” he said. “There’s also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights.”

Mr. Obama also criticized the detentions by local police of two reporters on Wednesday who were recharging their phones and working on their articles at a local McDonald’s, saying, “Here in the United States of America, police should not be bullying or arresting journalists who are just trying to do their jobs and report to the American people on what they see on the ground.”

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What he said, any president would say. In fact, after the police in the Rodney King case were acquitted, and the LA riots began, Bush on national television acknowledged that the verdict was "unjust" and his DOJ prosecuted the cops. If Bush were black, you'd have a hissy fit.

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Obama is even from Chicago, more or less, and he has almost never even acknowledged the black on black murder rate in that city.

Same ting with Holder. He went to Ferguson and announced, "I'm here as a black man," and talked about how he had been pulled over in New Jersey. Of course Holder played the race card in Ferguson.

It must really suck for you that the facts in the Ferguson, MO case are all trending in favor of the police officer. That's why you haven't offered one comment relative to the subject of this thread. All you've done is pick out one or two words of mine and taken the meaning totally out of context.

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You're comparing apples to oranges. There was chaos in Missouri. Again, he did what presidents do.

As for your fixation on unrelated crimes and chicago, since Obama has been in office, the crime rate has fallen just over 10% and we have 10% less incarcerated. As for chicago,

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CHICAGO (AP) — Following a year when Chicago led the nation in homicides with more than 500, the city's Police Department said Wednesday that in 2013 the city recorded the fewest killings since 1965 and saw its overall crime rate fall to level not seen since 1972.

The city, which ended the year with a 16 percent drop in crime, saw the numbers of violent crimes, including robbery, aggravated battery and criminal sexual assault drop significantly — some by double digits— as well as drops in burglary and motor vehicle theft.

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and this year it's down 14% from last year. Stop watching Fox News.

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You know what, dude? I've met very few gay people who weren't mad at the world because they were different, and you certainly fit that mold

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I'm not on this board calling every black person from Holder to Obama to Oprah racist each and every day.

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Regardless of what the facts are, you go against the grain of what is right, just, and even obvious in order not to align yourself with mainstream America. I see this with gay people all the time.

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You're cartoonish.

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It's not our fault you are gay, fool.

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Who is "our" as in "our fault"? And whose fault is it? Because I would love to thank him. If it wouldn't be for him, I might be like you.

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I have 2-3 people who do that

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You talkin bout me, baw?

But when the store owners were asked about it, they didn't report a problem.

It's clearly spin control. They show the video of MB robbing the guy as opposed to the video of him purchasing the cigars.

Which one do you think will fit police departments narrative?

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But when the store owners were asked about it, they didn't report a problem. It's clearly spin control. They show the video of MB robbing the guy as opposed to the video of him purchasing the cigars. Which one do you think will fit police departments narrative?

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I'm not a defender of the police. But the facts that you're questioning have been addressed.

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I'm not saying they aren't right, but how can this not be questioned as spin control? What is so reputable about this county's investigation office that leads you guys to take their word as gold?

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Wilson was already convicted in the court of public opinion before any of the facts came out.


Riots took place before the facts came out.

Threats of violence were made at the officer before the facts came out.




SPIN CONTROL? ARE YOU frickING KIDDING ME?

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Who are we to say that cop didn't aggressively attack brown first?

I find it hard to give policemen the benefit of the doubt with all these recent strings of power abuse and hyper aggressiveness.

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UN f'n believable.

So out of hundreds of thousands of police/civilian interaction that occur every day, there are a handful of 'cops shoot dog' events - and from that you conclude that all cops must be power abusers and hyper aggressive.

With that kind of logic, you must cower behind your mother's apron anytime a black man comes into view, given the plethora of black-on-black murders that occur.

I - being a sane observer - can say there is no evidence of this cop aggressively attacking first, other than the demonstrable lies of the Brown's co-henchman.

Do YOU have even a smidgen of fact to support your hesitancy to believe the forensic evidence known so far?