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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:41 pm to kilo
Don't presume to speak for me. I don't think Palestinian descendants have near as valid of a right to return claim if their original ancestor is not alive. They all will be dead long before this issue is resolved, if ever.
This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:41 pm to BobBoucher
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BobBoucher
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:43 pm to SCLibertarian
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Remember when Israel refused again and again the right of return to these people who had lived in Palestine for centuries?
Show me Palestine on a map
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:43 pm to SCLibertarian
I'm trying to get you to clarify and speak for yourself.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:45 pm to BobBoucher
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There are no historical "rights" or entitlement for territories. Whomever controls it calls the shots because they won the most recent war and have the current rights. Don't like it? Don't lose wars. It's not pretty or PC, but it's fact, and it been that way since the beginning of time (I was there).
People don't like it, but this is reality.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:46 pm to kilo
I just did, the right of return will be a moot issue before there is ever lasting peace. Palestinians will have no connection with the land in which their ancestors lived before 1948.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:48 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:48 pm to kilo
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I'm trying to get you to clarify
And yet you're position is not entirely clear.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:49 pm to kilo
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Ok.. So when all the land owners from the Arab Israeli wars die there should be no issues then.
False. Because claims to land can be gifted to children.
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How many are still alive from the 48 conflict?
Israel uses Eminent Domain to take land every day. these are new claims that cause new problems. As for the land of 1948, See above.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:49 pm to SCLibertarian
So with no right of return do you then side with Israel?
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:49 pm to MrCarton
quote:how may generations can this happen?
False. Because claims to land can be gifted to children
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:51 pm to kilo
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False. Because claims to land can be gifted to children
how may generations can this happen?
Forever. But one must demonstrate clear title, which inevitably becomes broken when those with claim to the land stop claiming it and move on with their lives. This is what the state of Israel wants, and what they will get.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
I do not approve of the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians (I have 2 working for me - I ve heard their stories), but the outcome of the British Mandate is reality.
The Jewish people got their shite together quickly and defended their newly created country when it was what, 1 day old?
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:54 pm to kilo
Even though I personally sympathize with Palestinians, I would hope the US stays out of this conflict in the future. I have no love for Palestinian suicide bombers and I have no love for Likud policies that view civilian deaths as collateral damage. I think Americans are naive about our ability to bring any solution to this conflict, despite our sympathies for one side or another.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:55 pm to BobBoucher
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I do not approve of the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians (I have 2 working for me - I ve heard their stories), but the outcome of the British Mandate is reality.
I agree
Sorry for being a douche earlier.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:55 pm to SCLibertarian
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Even though I personally sympathize with Palestinians, I would hope the US stays out of this conflict in the future. I have no love for Palestinian suicide bombers and I have no love for Likud policies that view civilian deaths as collateral damage. I think Americans are naive about our ability to bring any solution to this conflict, despite our sympathies for one side or another.
Agree
Posted on 12/28/16 at 3:02 pm to SCLibertarian
Do Mexicans have the right of return in Texas, California, Arizona etc from land won during the Mexican - American War
Do Cuban Americans have right of return for land taken from their families by Castro?
Do we give Puerto Rico back to Spain after taking it as a result of the Spanish American War? Certainly there were some Spanish land owners who got screwed with that transaction
Israel won the civil war and has won every armed conflict since then. It is well past time to get over the idea of right of return and start dealing in reality. That reality probably entails a separate Palastinian state, but not necessarily along the lines the Palestinians want
Do Cuban Americans have right of return for land taken from their families by Castro?
Do we give Puerto Rico back to Spain after taking it as a result of the Spanish American War? Certainly there were some Spanish land owners who got screwed with that transaction
Israel won the civil war and has won every armed conflict since then. It is well past time to get over the idea of right of return and start dealing in reality. That reality probably entails a separate Palastinian state, but not necessarily along the lines the Palestinians want
Posted on 12/28/16 at 3:04 pm to MrCarton
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I agree Sorry for being a douche earlier.
Apology accepted.
I can fully support Isreals expansion within territory seized as a fair and expected result of war, while simultaneously condemning them for creating a humanitarian crises with what they choose to do with that land.
Not exactly the definition of what was it.... a shill I was called? Lol
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 3:07 pm to BobBoucher
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Apology accepted.
I can fully support Isreals expansion within territory seized as a fair and expected result of war, while simultaneously condemning them for creating a humanitarian crises with what they choose to do with that land.
Not exactly the definition of what was it.... a shill I was called? Lol
Yeah fo sho. This is easily the worst topic for the holiday season.
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