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re: Remember how America treated the Jews on the St. Louis ?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:01 am to Toddy
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:01 am to Toddy
quote:This may be harsh, but from reading the story wasn't this a boat full of people who bribed an official in Cuba for visas, but before they got there the gig was found out and they were denied entry? How is that the US's problem? Most of them found other countries to move to, some of which were subsequently invaded by Germany. Were we supposed to supply refuge to all of Europe?
Remember how America treated the Jews on the St. Louis ?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:23 am to mmcgrath
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This may be harsh, but from reading the story wasn't this a boat full of people who bribed an official in Cuba for visas, but before they got there the gig was found out and they were denied entry? How is that the US's problem? Most of them found other countries to move to, some of which were subsequently invaded by Germany. Were we supposed to supply refuge to all of Europe?
It's also important to add that the US had accepted around a hundred thousand jewish refugees in the few years around that time. Mass refugees are a serious problem in any situation. Many countries in Europe had also received refugees to the point of saturation (See Evian Conference). Add the refugee problem to the lack of knowledge of specific or certain danger in sending the ship back to Europe, and it's easier to understand, although not saying the decision was ultimately correct.
Also interesting is that the Dominican Republic offered to accept up to 100,000 refugees with land donated for settlements, but apparently only about 800 came.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:25 am to Toddy
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They were refused entry and shipped back to a certain death
I'm sure someone on this thread has already corrected you but at the time of the St. Louis there were no death camps. I'm not talking about our knowledge of such camps. I mean they did not exist.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:28 am to USMCTiger03
The writing was very much on the wall. Sterilization, deportation, etc.
The stated goal of the nazi regime all along was to reincorporate some undesirables through reeducation; however the Jews held a separate designation from even the undesirables. They were to be purged from society because of their tainted blood (seriously, blood) Now imagine that, your government's stated goal is to rid you from society. They've subjected you to forced deportations, they've sterilized tens of thousands of your people and imprisoned in labor camps (and yeah they weren't specifically outfitted for extermination but they were concentration camps)
Everyone knew war was inevitable by this point. And once it started what the Jews would possibly face. Nobody imagined the scale and scope of the final solution. It is quite shocking and so well documented. Anyway, once the nazis invaded Poland, people knew what was up
What nobody could know was that the extermination of the Jews and proliferation of the master German race was the ends that the Nazis sought. World domination.
The stated goal of the nazi regime all along was to reincorporate some undesirables through reeducation; however the Jews held a separate designation from even the undesirables. They were to be purged from society because of their tainted blood (seriously, blood) Now imagine that, your government's stated goal is to rid you from society. They've subjected you to forced deportations, they've sterilized tens of thousands of your people and imprisoned in labor camps (and yeah they weren't specifically outfitted for extermination but they were concentration camps)
Everyone knew war was inevitable by this point. And once it started what the Jews would possibly face. Nobody imagined the scale and scope of the final solution. It is quite shocking and so well documented. Anyway, once the nazis invaded Poland, people knew what was up
What nobody could know was that the extermination of the Jews and proliferation of the master German race was the ends that the Nazis sought. World domination.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:29 am to Zach
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I mean they did not exist.
I would say you are messing up his meme/talking points, but the reality is Toddy tucked tail and ran long ago.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:31 am to Zach
There were concentration camps, but no they weren't specifically outfitted for extermination
Regardless what an awful comparison and why does everyone feel the need to trivialize the holocaust (especially liberals)
You never hear anyone trivializing the Rwandan genocide
Regardless what an awful comparison and why does everyone feel the need to trivialize the holocaust (especially liberals)
You never hear anyone trivializing the Rwandan genocide
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:36 am to DelU249
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Regardless what an awful comparison and why does everyone feel the need to trivialize the holocaust (especially liberals) You never hear anyone trivializing the Rwandan genocide
Excellent point.
I've read some on the St. Louis. One interesting tidbit was that American Jewish organizations did not lobby our govt to accept the ship's passengers.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:08 pm to DelU249
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World domination
Stop getting your history from entertainment programming.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:31 pm to Toddy
Anyone who want's the US to house them should pay out of their own pocket.
shite will change REAL quick.
But Toddy, like most liberals, doesn't mind spending others money on it.
shite will change REAL quick.
But Toddy, like most liberals, doesn't mind spending others money on it.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:34 pm to USMCTiger03
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The entire premise is bullshite. The St. Louis passengers weren't turned away to certain death at all, based on the view at the time. How was the US to know Hitler would attack and successfully invade nearly all of Europe a year later?
Further, at that point, although there was degrees of mistreatment of Jews by Germany, it was not known that any form of "certain death" was being performed and was not known for a long time.
fricking revisionist demonize America leftist bullshite.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:35 pm to ChewyDante
So where would the nazis have stopped?
They invaded the Soviet Union, they wanted the Uk.
At one point their reach went from the outskirts of Moscow to coastal France.
They invaded the Soviet Union, they wanted the Uk.
At one point their reach went from the outskirts of Moscow to coastal France.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:56 pm to DelU249
quote:
they wanted the Uk.
Like I said...
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:28 pm to ChewyDante
Yeah, you said nothing
The nazis had plans for invading the UK after they took France and it didn't materialize because they lacked the requisite resources to accomplish it at the time.
The nazis had plans for invading the UK after they took France and it didn't materialize because they lacked the requisite resources to accomplish it at the time.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:29 pm to Toddy
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These kids should be allowed to stay.
Why do you care, is there a report the kids are gay?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:36 pm to Toddy
Are you really comparing Jews to these people?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:39 pm to DelU249
quote:
Yeah, you said nothing The nazis had plans for invading the UK after they took France and it didn't materialize because they lacked the requisite resources to accomplish it at the time.
Oh, they did? And that therefore indicates plans of world domination? The US invade all of the South Pacific essentially, and Western Europe up half way through Germany. World domination, right?
If you think WWII occurred because the Nazis were pursuing world domination, then you obviously rely on pop history for your argumentative premises.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:47 pm to ChewyDante
You dismissed specifically the idea that they planned to invade the UK
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:50 pm to DelU249
If you want to look at the stated objectives of the nazis and their foreign policy, a very clear picture comes into place
Going To run (literally)
We've been down this road, so no need doing it again.
Going To run (literally)
We've been down this road, so no need doing it again.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:54 pm to ChewyDante
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If you think WWII occurred because the Nazis were pursuing world domination,
No, and global dominance through both direct occupation and political influence was essential to creating the 3rd reich and given the level of resources dedicated to the Final Solution (a goal of no political or economic value) it kind of bolsters what I'm getting at. Obviously it goes beyond all of that and there are some obvious political and economic factors leading to World War II but I never said global domination or better put "world control" was their motive though it was necessary to achieve their goals
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