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Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:09 am to Ace Midnight
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I'm not a Catholic, but in Northern Ireland, religion was a proxy for class and ethnicity, with the Celtic, poor Irish being predominantly Catholic and the, relatively, wealthier Anglo-Saxons being predominantly Protestant.
Almost everyone is poor in N Ireland
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:10 am to Ace Midnight
So, to another question the op had, was the IRA supported by Catholics in the USA? I can't recall that being the case.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:11 am to trackfan
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I'm not so sure about that, considering all the anti-Catholic laws that were imposed on Catholics by the British government,
All anti Catholic laws were imposed as a result of the conflict and were never the cause of the conflict.
No Irish Catholic is fighting to win one for the pope nor are they particularly concerned with how the prods worship. This is a geopolitical battle and religion is irrelevant.
The Brits mentioned in the OP are either fabrications or lying fools.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:16 am to Erin Go Bragh
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All anti Catholic laws were imposed as a result of the conflict and were never the cause of the conflict.
The 6 counties wanted to be part of the UK and people got butthurt.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:18 am to Jake88
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So, to another question the op had, was the IRA supported by Catholics in the USA? I can't recall that being the case.
That has some truth to it. Both American and N. Irish (Catholic) fundraisers were held in Catholic strongholds such as Boston. Primarily through the auspices of Sinn Fein, this was ostensibly supposed to be primarily humanitarian relief (and Americans are suckers for stuff like that), but money did reach the paras at various times.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:19 am to trackfan
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I'm not sure what you mean by that because dead is dead. Neither the IRA nor the Palestinians had qualms about killing civilians, and the British and Israelis neither for that matter.
Of those 4 groups, I think there is likely evidence that the Palestinians come the closest to targeting innocents.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:21 am to Ace Midnight
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That has some truth to it. Both American and N. Irish (Catholic) fundraisers were held in Catholic strongholds such as Boston. Primarily through the auspices of Sinn Fein, this was ostensibly supposed to be primarily humanitarian relief (and Americans are suckers for stuff like that), but money did reach the paras at various times.
Yes, although I have no doubt a lot of the pub fund contributors knew and purposefully gave to IRA efforts.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:21 am to Pettifogger
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Of those 4 groups, I think there is likely evidence that the Palestinians come the closest to targeting innocents.
I mean the IRA was bombing pubs in England. If thats not targeting the civilian populace I don't know what is.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:23 am to Jake88
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So, to another question the op had, was the IRA supported by Catholics in the USA? I can't recall that being the case.
90% of the IRA's funding came from American Catholics, much of it through NORAID. Congressman Peter King was a major IRA supporter during their heyday and was despised by the British. It's not an exageration to say that King cavorted and collaborated with terrorists, some of whom were on the UK's mosted wanted list and whose hands were drenched in blood.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:23 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Of course troops get sent to N Ireland. IED's. sniper attacks on UK forces. UK forces killing the innocent as well. It was a cluster frick.
Give the British Army credit here, though - it was probably the only time in recorded history that an "occupying" army lost more soldiers due to combat death than did civilians in the occupied territory. They showed a lot of patience and discipline (relatively)...probably much more so than we would have.
It's not for nothing that most of the modern Islamist groups take a lot, both tactically and strategically, from the IRA.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:24 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The 6 counties wanted to be part of the UK and people got butthurt.
I've been to establishments in Dublin where I suspect you would be much more repsectful to those buthurt people than you are here.
Guess you have nothing but hard feelings towards Abe Lincoln as well.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:25 am to Pettifogger
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Of those 4 groups, I think there is likely evidence that the Palestinians come the closest to targeting innocents.
Quit burying your head in the sand. All of them targeted civilians.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:29 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Give the British Army credit here, though - it was probably the only time in recorded history that an "occupying" army lost more soldiers due to combat death than did civilians in the occupied territory. They showed a lot of patience and discipline (relatively)...probably much more so than we would have.
O I agree, they get portrayed as villains. Even though their barracks would get car bombed and guys on patrol would be shot.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:30 am to Erin Go Bragh
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I've been to establishments in Dublin where I suspect you would be much more repsectful to those buthurt people than you are here.
Guess you have nothing but hard feelings towards Abe Lincoln as well.
Ive been to Dublin as well. When you interact with the younger generation they hate being portrayed as they are all Irish republicans who want to fight.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:33 am to trackfan
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:33 am to AbuTheMonkey
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It's not for nothing that most of the modern Islamist groups take a lot, both tactically and strategically, from the IRA.
Good point. Back in the day, the IRA and the PLO collaborated on all sort oif things, and these types of signs were common in Northern Ireland.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:42 am to StraightCashHomey21
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. When you interact with the younger generation they hate being portrayed as they are all Irish republicans who want to fight.
True to a degree. I'm in my 20's and have been to Ireland three times. The younger people are less likely to identify with the IRA and with IRA tactics of the past but they are just as convinced that what's taking place in the north amounts to little more than an occupation by a foreign army.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:46 am to trackfan
Thanks for contributing to the discussion. Glad im not the only one who feels the same. I like the comparisons to the IRA. Makes plenty of sense.
I can assure you they are very real. And generally good guys but this argument was a load of crap and just another in a long line of Weak stances on Islamic extremists.
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The Brits mentioned in the OP are either fabrications or lying fools.
I can assure you they are very real. And generally good guys but this argument was a load of crap and just another in a long line of Weak stances on Islamic extremists.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:49 am to lsugradman
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Now my recollection of that struggle was that it was primarily a separatist movement where Irish Catholics had been repressed, persecuted and basically shite on by the Brits and Irish Protestants and their fight was to form their own Ireland where they could govern on a level playing field.
One person's 'terrorist' is another person's 'freedom fighter'.
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