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re: Rapid mob of liberals pull down Confederate statue in Durham

Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:09 pm to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35111 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:09 pm to
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you still of the incorrect notion that Lee was 'respected' by the men who decided to publicly shame him by ruining his plantation? That's rich


I've read grants Memoirs as well as countless other books on the subject written by the men who fought themselves. All hold lee in high regard. You are quite literally talking out of your arse.

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Were they traitors to the US? Didn't think so.


What does that have to do with them being good/bad men? They were racist. They owned slaves. They formed a country built on slavery. They're bad men.

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He's not a traitor to America, nor is he a sign of racism.


I've read Caesars memoirs as well. He was quite a racist against those who were seen as beneath Roman's. You should look up in his atrocities against the gauls and Germans etc. He was absolutely a racist. And we immortalize him.

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He's not a sign of racism, however.


Lincoln was a massive racist who went on record time and time again preaching how blacks are less developed and not of the samw caliber as whites.

Like I said. Your lack of historical knowledge is absolutely astounding.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:14 pm to
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All hold lee in high regard.


High enough regard to personally frick his property over for eternity.

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He was absolutely a racist. And we immortalize him.


Yet he's no traitor to the US, nor is he an overt symbol of racism like a Confederate monument.

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Lincoln was a massive racist


Yet not a sign of racism. You really should read what I write, and respond to that instead of whatever bullshite pops into your uninformed head.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69350 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:17 pm to
BamaAtl, here is Dwight Eisenhower responding to a letter asking him why he had a picture of Lee in his office.

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August 9, 1960

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125441 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:18 pm to
idiots

hopefully they get prosecuted
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35111 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:22 pm to
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High enough regard to personally frick his property over for eternity.


The spoils of war go to the Victor's. Doesn't mean anything about how they felt about him. And frick his property over for eternity? Uhhhhhh I'd say quite the opposite. Arlington is absolutely beautiful and pristine. If they didn't respect him. They would have done what Sherman did to Atlanta. Your lack of historical knowledge is absolutely astounding.
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Yet he's no traitor to the US, nor is he an overt symbol of racism like a Confederate monument

So because people are hypocritical he gets a pass? He's a racist. He owned slaves. He rebelled. Just because he won doesn't make him a good guy.

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Yet not a sign of racism. You really should read what I write, and respond to that instead of whatever bullshite pops into your uninformed head.

A racist is a racist. Plain and simple. Or are you saying it's okay to be a racist as long as people don't perceive you as a racist?

And it's quite comical you're telling me I'm uninformed. What books have YOU read? What memoirs? What first hand accounts? I'm not going to say I'm an expert on any era of history. But I can absolutely promise I know much and more about any era of history spanning from the roman empire. The middle ages. And all of US history. Than you do.

You are quite ignorant on this subject and I find it astounding you don't see the glaring hypocrisy in your statements
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:25 pm to
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here is Dwight Eisenhower responding to a letter asking him why he had a picture of Lee in his office


If you truly believe those are the reasons that Confederate monuments were placed in Southern states in the last 150 years, I have a bridge to sell you.

Nobody's talking about taking a picture down from Eisenhower's office - instead, let's remove symbols of racism and oppression that were intended as symbols of racism and oppression from public property.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:27 pm to
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Doesn't mean anything about how they felt about him.


You highly respect a man, so you frick over his property? You make it a point to ruin his wife's rose garden, and make it so that his house is uninhabitable...that's respect in your world?

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If they didn't respect him. They would have done what Sherman did to Atlanta.


That is exactly what they did to his house, just with bodies instead of fire. Thanks for making my point for me, you ignorant frick.

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So because people are hypocritical he gets a pass?


It's not hypocritical when he doesn't fit the same criteria.

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A racist is a racist.


But not all monuments are meant to be racist and oppressive. Confederate monuments (largely) are.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69350 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:30 pm to
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If you truly believe those are the reasons that Confederate monuments were placed in Southern states in the last 150 years, I have a bridge to sell you.

Nobody's talking about taking a picture down from Eisenhower's office - instead, let's remove symbols of racism and oppression that were intended as symbols of racism and oppression from public property.
You're the person in this thread moving beyond statues and attacking lee as a person. That's fair game.
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26267 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:30 pm to
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let's remove symbols of racism and oppression that were intended as symbols of racism and oppression from public property.

Given what transpired yesterday, it truly amazes me to see people like you still clinging to the belief that removing these statues does less harm than good.

When it actuality, it accomplishes two things: It empowers the far left who believe they have the right to forcibly remove/silence anything that offends them, while simultaneously fueling the far right's "we are under attack" propaganda.

But don't let all that phase you. The important thing is for you to go to sleep at night knowing that you "helped defeat racism" today.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35111 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:32 pm to
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You highly respect a man, so you frick over his property? You make it a point to ruin his wife's rose garden, and make it so that his house is uninhabitable...that's respect in your world


What books have you read on the subject? What memoirs? Give me some quotes of men talking bad about general lee. Or are you simply talking out of your arse (you are). You have absolutely nothing but projection and it's quite pathetic.

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That is exactly what they did to his house, just with bodies instead of fire. Thanks for making my point for me, you ignorant frick.


Uh. No. And calling me an ignorant frick? What does that make you?
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It's not hypocritical when he doesn't fit the same criteria.


A racist is a racist. A slave owner is a slave owner. Why are you trying to muddy the water? Either you are. Or you are not.

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But not all monuments are meant to be racist and oppressive. Confederate monuments (largely) are.


Any statue of a racist is immortilizing a racist and saying it's okay to be a racist.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:35 pm to
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Uh. No


Uh. Yes. Learn a bit more about Montgomery C. Meigs and his motivation for putting Arlington cemetery where he did.

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A racist is a racist.


Not all racists are symbols of racism. Caesar isn't. Confederates are.

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35111 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:39 pm to
And it's funny that you think the country "did the same to Arlington as they did to Atlanta just with bodies instead of fire"

When the govt PAID LEE'S FAMILY 150K FOR THE LAND. And then in 1955 designated it as a NATIONAL MONUMENT TO ROBERT E LEE.

Like I said. Your lack of knowledge on this subject is absolutely amazing. And the fact you try to act above me and have the gall to tell me I'M ignorant on the subject is absolutely laughable.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35111 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:40 pm to
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Uh. Yes. Learn a bit more about Montgomery C. Meigs and his motivation for putting Arlington cemetery where he did.


So you pay 150k to the son of a man you dont respect for the land? Weird...

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Not all racists are symbols of racism. Caesar isn't. Confederates are.


I'm sure the celts, gauls, and Germans would agree with you. Jk.

Your lack of knowledge is absolutely astounding
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:41 pm to
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When the govt PAID LEE'S FAMILY 150K FOR THE LAND


To his son. After it was decided it was uninhabitable. After they ruined the land of a man they 'so respected'.

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And then in 1955 designated it as a NATIONAL MONUMENT TO ROBERT E LEE.


In 1956 Georgia added the Confederate flag to the state flag. I wonder what was happening around that time that could have prompted those sorts of things.

Do your homework, champ!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261333 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:41 pm to
Let's face it, we've passed the tipping point where emotionally fragile people with warped views of reality feel empowered.

I say ignore them socially, arrest them for vandalism, give them a criminal record and they'll harden up a bit
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8546 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:42 pm to
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Sad! They're trying to erase history

Statues is not the way we preserve history.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35111 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:44 pm to
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his son. After it was decided it was uninhabitable. After they ruined the land of a man they 'so respected'.


So why pay 150k for it? Out of... What's the word.... Respect?

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1956 Georgia added the Confederate flag to the state flag. I wonder what was happening around that time that could have prompted those sorts of things.


What does Georgia have to do with Virginia?

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Do your homework, champ!


I've done plenty of reading on the subject at hand and have decimated each of your bullshite talking points in turn. Maybe YOU should do YOUR homework. Come back and try again after reading grants memoirs. Or any memoir of union officers who fought and knew lee.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37563 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:45 pm to
Wonder when they will start targeting confederate museums
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:52 pm to
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So why pay 150k for it?


Court told them to pay 150k for it. Nothing to do with respect.

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What does Georgia have to do with Virginia?


It's almost as if there's a unifying theme in these Confederate symbols you want to venerate...

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I've done plenty of reading on the subject at hand


And yet you didn't realize that Lee was publicly shamed by Lincoln's cabinet and Meigs during the war. Maybe you should read relevant things next time?
Posted by ornagestorm
Oregon
Member since Jun 2008
5105 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:52 pm to
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