- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Rand Paul Visits Ferguson
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:10 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:10 pm to Willie Stroker
I don't resent him courting other voters. I am disappointed that he's only concentrated on limited issues and seems to be targeting one group primarily. I appreciate his outreach and absolutely agree that he should continue. However, a presidential candidate should address a much wider variety of topics lest we get another Obama.
1
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:12 pm to beebefootballfan
quote:
What about an economic zone is going to fix that?
You're doing it wrong. No one is saying an economic zone is going to fix those things.
Fixing the problem with a culture that breeds under-educated kids is not something that government can solve. But government can sow the seeds of choice and consequence by offering school vouchers.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:17 pm to LSUGrrrl
Courting your vote would be a waste of his time. You will research his stances on issues and will watch the primary debates. Ultimately, you're going to vote for him because of what his stance on these issues is. You will forget about this period of neglect when the time comes. The best use of his limited time is courting new interest.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:19 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
Courting your vote would be a waste of his time. You will research his stances on issues and will watch the primary debates. Ultimately, you're going to vote for him because of what his stance on these issues is. You will forget about this period of neglect when the time comes. The best use of his limited time is courting new interest.
This. Also once another viable R candidate "jumps in" Rand will begin defending positions that play more to the base. We are so far out now, it makes no sense to rally the base
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:23 pm to jamboybarry
Y'all are probably correct. I'm just bored of the topic on repeat but understand it's necessary.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:23 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
Fixing the problem with a culture that breeds under-educated kids is not something that government can solve. But government can sow the seeds of choice and consequence by offering school vouchers.
It's a great idea but in Memphis for instance, the crook who was the mayor in Memphis who help destroy the schools is running the charter schools and they aren't any better than the city schools. The only decent schools are in the suburbs a 30 min drive at a minimum and not many parents are going to drive their kids that far out.
Sadly in Memphis the city plans out its jail cell needs by the reading rates of 3rd graders and in Memphis the number of 3rd graders who can read is mind blowingly low. I work with kids on a daily basis who have no drive to improve or even learn to read and when they go home nobody is working with them or requiring them to do school work.
Like you say the government can't solve the problem and it can sew seeds but I don't think it will ever work out until community invests in the future of inner city kids.
I fear something has been bred in this country than can't be undone by just saying here is a school voucher.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:31 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
Saying that the criminal justice system is racist is caving.
It doesn't have to be intentionally racist to have outcomes that fall disproportionately on one race.
I don't know that judges are going, "You are black, therefore I am giving you a harsher sentence," but the fact that African-Americans tend, on average, to be poorer than whites may certainly have an effect on the severity of their sentencing due to an inability to afford effective legal representation.
To the extent that government has abjectly failed at providing education in inner cities as well as contributing to the decay that has followed in the wake of the Great Society, government has indeed contributed to growing crime. Their solutions have not made the poor better off, and the poor are often the ones committing these kinds of crimes.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:51 pm to GoBigOrange86
quote:
It doesn't have to be intentionally racist to have outcomes that fall disproportionately on one race.
So racism via disparate impact.
I get the correlation, but intelligent people should really begin taking steps to disconnect what racism means and what disparate impact refers to.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:57 pm to NoNameNeeded
quote:
We need a true conservative, so anyone willing to appease this demographic group is simply off the list already.
I don't understand what you're saying at all. Going into African-American communities and making the argument that big government policies have not helped, and in many cases have hurt, the advancement of this demographic group is as conservative a case as you can raise. And it is, in my opinion, the absolute truth.
African-Americans have legitimate reasons to vote Republican, but the party continues to ignore them largely because they felt they could get away with it. Demographic shifts in this country make that impossible, in addition to it being just bad policy. Small government conservatism, I argue, would greatly benefit the African-American community; after all, look what big government has done in Chicago...in Detroit...in St. Louis, on and on and on. It's not working, and Republicans need to point out why that is.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 2:00 pm to LSURussian
"I was hoping Rand Paul would be different."
Different from whom? What other GOP presidential aspirants have visited Ferguson?
Different from whom? What other GOP presidential aspirants have visited Ferguson?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 2:24 pm to NoNameNeeded
So trying to win the minds of minority groups makes one not conservative. At least u are honest about your bigotry.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 5:14 pm to RollTide4Ever
The thing I admire about Rand is that he's willing to touch upon racial issues that even Democrats are afraid to deal with.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:45 pm to trackfan
quote:
The thing I admire about Rand is that he's willing to touch upon racial issues that even Democrats are afraid to deal with.
Those people tired of Rand targeting AA voters on this level don't undestand how hard it is for him to get the message out. These people are not plugged into the politics of Rand Paul. He is trying to educate people on the cost of minimum sentences fisically and socially.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:09 pm to dnm3305
quote:
Yea, that's it. It's the governments fault.
Law enforcement a private enterprise? I don't think so.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
Starting to understand why its so easy for the media to label conservatives as racist.
Rand doesn't say the blacks are justified, doesn't say the government IS targeting them, and doesn't say blacks actually are being singled out.
He simply says there is a higher black population %-wise incarcerated and he can at least see how they feel targeted, and some of y'all lose your actual shite. How dare he try to see how it looks from their side.
Rand doesn't say the blacks are justified, doesn't say the government IS targeting them, and doesn't say blacks actually are being singled out.
He simply says there is a higher black population %-wise incarcerated and he can at least see how they feel targeted, and some of y'all lose your actual shite. How dare he try to see how it looks from their side.
Posted on 10/11/14 at 5:15 am to Tiguar
quote:
He simply says there is a higher black population %-wise incarcerated and he can at least see how they feel targeted, and some of y'all lose your actual shite. How dare he try to see how it looks from their side.
You would think that empathy would be a trait to be admired in a politician, not criticized.
More and more I'm becoming convinced that Rand's only shot at winning the nomination is if Hillary wraps up the Democratic nomination so early that Democrats will have more of an incentive to go play in the Republican primaries, rather than take part in a coronation. Do you remember Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos in 2008? By the way, would Republicans still vote for Rand in the general if he pulled a Thad Cochran and actively recruited Democrats to get involved in the Republican primaries?
Posted on 10/11/14 at 6:52 am to dnm3305
quote:In this case, YES!
It's the governments fault.
Yes it is.
Unless you think stiff sentences for marijuana, prostitution, etc are socially helpful.
Posted on 10/11/14 at 7:08 am to RollTide4Ever
While I agree with Rand Paul on everything in here
there was no reason to specifically go to Ferguson and make this particular speech.... NOTHING but attempting to pander.
quote:
long prison sentences for nonviolent crimes, the loss of voting rights for felons and military programs to give unused equipment to local police departments.
there was no reason to specifically go to Ferguson and make this particular speech.... NOTHING but attempting to pander.
Page 3 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News