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re: Rand Paul interviewed by Greta.....
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:14 am to cwill
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:14 am to cwill
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The problem is the multitude of laws esp the revenue generating type that disproportionately impact poor people. That's what he's talking about.
exactly
think bullshite like speeding tickets, registration, driving without a license on your person, etc. stupid shite that has no impact
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:14 am to Retrograde
Rand Paul is part of the problem in regards to Ferguson. He ran his mouth during the first protests a few months ago in Ferguson. frick that, and frick him for inciting these black folks to destroy property.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:15 am to reverendotis
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Step one: wear your seatbelt in the first place.
Step two: don't worry about having to pay a fine that you cannot afford.
at the heart of this issue is a stupid law (requiring a seat belt). you start with the heart of an issue to solve the secondary effects
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I flat out reject the premise that it is impossible to live life without breaking commonly known and understood laws.
well your qualifier at the end kind of taints this statement
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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frick him for inciting these black folks to destroy property.
uh
link?
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:21 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
God ur dumb.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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at the heart of this issue is a stupid law
Ad hoc determinations of which laws are and aren't stupid? "Well that law is just dumb your honor"
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qualifier at the end
There are almost no cases of "poor people breaking the law" where they are truly unaware that they were committing a crime.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 12:58 am to reverendotis
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Ad hoc determinations of which laws are and aren't stupid?
how else are we going to eliminate stupid laws like the one requiring a seat belt or the WOD?
Posted on 11/27/14 at 1:01 am to SlowFlowPro
The legislative process of getting that law repealed would be where I suggest you start.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People of means can make charges disappear, or hire good attorneys to get them off light. Poor people are screwed.
Come on Roger people of means is not exactly what the discussion is about. Unless you are calling joe sixpack people of means that is. If you are I apologize.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:30 am to cwill
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Multitude of law disproportionatley effect poor people
How so?Especially the revenue generating part...are you saying
they're more likely to break thse laws or less likely to get out of them
because of their poverty?
If someone of means breaks "revenue generating" laws and IF they want
to contest the violation won't it cost them MORE resources (atty fees,time)
than it would someone who isn't going to contest the violation?
Or are you saying that it effects them because they have less resources to
pay these fines?If that's the case than poor people are disproportionatley
effected by almost every part of daily life ie high gas prices,food prices,food
prices,etc...correct?
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:43 am to cwill
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$100 seatbelt violation
First of all who's going to pay the medical cost of someone
who doesn't have insurance and is not wearing a seat belt
and is involved in a wreck?
Sorry, you are far less likely to get hurt in accident if you are
wearing a seat belt than not,
This post was edited on 11/27/14 at 6:46 am
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:58 am to VOR
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I think Rand Paul is an interesting candidate with real possibilities. That said, he is going to disappoint a lot of right wingers on this board, imo, based upon the interviews I've seen and read.
Rand's appeal has never been with traditional republicans or right wingers. His appeal is with libertarians, young ppl, and ppl that are just tired of the political bullshat both parties have spewed.
To the OP: I have not seen the interview mentioned, but it is not pandering if he has the same message no matter where he is speaking. Rand truly believes that criminal sentencing (and that includes fines) needs serious reforming because it has severly limits the ability of criminals especially criminals of federal crimes to serve their time and move on with their lives. Then we get surprised when criminals go back to crime after they get out, in alot of cases they have no other option. It is a vicious cycle that the system has helped create and that can be fixed.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:22 am to WeeWee
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Rand's appeal has never been with traditional republicans or right wingers. His appeal is with libertarians, young ppl, and ppl that are just tired of the political bullshat both parties have spewed.
To the OP: I have not seen the interview mentioned, but it is not pandering if he has the same message no matter where he is speaking. Rand truly believes that criminal sentencing (and that includes fines) needs serious reforming because it has severly limits the ability of criminals especially criminals of federal crimes to serve their time and move on with their lives. Then we get surprised when criminals go back to crime after they get out, in alot of cases they have no other option. It is a vicious cycle that the system has helped create and that can be fixed.
Certainly, which is why I'm a huge supporter of him right now. Although I'm fairly young now, a few years ago I didn't care for Rand
(I definitely respected Ron a lot more). As for your 2nd part, it's something when he and C. Booker emphasized that justice reform a while back. I was skeptical to see if that was pandering, but he's impressed me on that front over time.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:38 am to WeeWee
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First of all Rands appeal has never been with traditional republicans or right wingers
DO WHAT? Who the hell elected him in Kentucky then? You MIGHT
can make this point if he had run and was elected as a libertarian and
BLOCKS of young people voted for em but that's not the case and there's
no data to support your claims.
Oh and Rand in fact is a "right winger" if you want to look on where
he falls on the political spectrum
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:38 am to SpartyGator
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Certainly, which is why I'm a huge supporter of him right now. Although I'm fairly young now, a few years ago I didn't care for Rand (I definitely respected Ron a lot more).
Rand is a thousand times better politican than Ron. Ron would have never stepped in and helped get Mitch reelected. Now Mitch (the new leader of the Senate) owe Rand which should help tremendously in getting the establishmnet GOP to accept him.
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As for your 2nd part, it's something when he and C. Booker emphasized that justice reform a while back. I was skeptical to see if that was pandering, but he's impressed me on that front over time.
At first I was against it, but Rand and Cory and others have convinced me about. It is kind of bullshite that some ones has to mark that they are a convicted felon on every application they fill out if it has been years since the crime and they have paid their debt to society. I think they should only have to disclose within the last 10 years, unless it was violent crime or sex crime (depending on the job of course).
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:49 am to WeeWee
I like the way Finland does things, for speeding fines they check how much you made last year and take out a percentage of your income.
This way people everyone pays the same RATE but not the same AMOUNT.
A college kid could pay 100 dollars for going 10 miles over the speed limit and a Billionaire could pay a million dollars. It all evens out.
This way people everyone pays the same RATE but not the same AMOUNT.
A college kid could pay 100 dollars for going 10 miles over the speed limit and a Billionaire could pay a million dollars. It all evens out.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:52 am to Elcid96
quote:90's actually. Only time we balanced the budget.
Personal responsibility is so "80's"
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:59 am to Eurocat
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Everyone pays the same rate
Really? So why not do the same for gas,food,housing,
electricity,clothes etc?
Posted on 11/27/14 at 8:03 am to Eurocat
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I like the way Finland does things, for speeding fines they check how much you made last year and take out a percentage of your income.
That is bullshite, a poor speeder is just as dangerous as a rich speeder.
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A college kid could pay 100 dollars for going 10 miles over the speed limit and a Billionaire could pay a million dollars. It all evens out.
No it doesn't. Especially since the college kid is probably the more dangerous driver.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 8:06 am to TT9
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Personal responsibility is so "80's"
90's actually. Only time we balanced the budget.
gov having a balanced budget does not = personal responsibilty.
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