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re: Rand Paul = Democrats’ Enemy #1
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:07 pm to trackfan
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:07 pm to trackfan
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The only reason this country hasn't become more theocratic is because Chrisitan fundmentalists in this country don't have the numbers,
Good Gawd.
This country had those numbers in spades when they wrote the document that we have today. You really see the world and its history as you want it to be.
We escaped theocratic rule.
You sometimes have no clue.
Do you have just one history book and its the best damn book you ever read so you just read it over and over and over again?
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you cannot compare promoting genital mutilation, making women 2nd class citizens, public beheadings, etc to not being able to buy alcohol on sundays or forcing bars to close at 2am...or saying the pledge with "under god" in it.
He didn't try to compare these things. You're creating a strawman.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:09 pm to trackfan
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By the way, do you consider yourself an Islamophobe?
i think radical islam is the #1 scourge of the earth currently and fundamentalist islam represents a backwards, terrible, and inferior culture
you can use whatever PC label you desire to describe that set of beliefs. i don't care
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Any ideology will thrive when the economies are in wreck. The issue in that region of the world is big gov't.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:11 pm to trackfan
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He didn't try to compare these things.
he tried to make them equivalent. they are not
it sounds really nice to play the "hey i'm going to defend this underdog culture and try to display hypocrisy by comparing it to the dominant culture of the area/time that is criticizing the underdog culture" card
but when you get into comparing the 2...it's often a simple comparison
again. i am not religious. i am not christian, jewish, buddhist, hindu, taoist, shinto, sikh, or a member of any indigenous faith
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:13 pm to ocelot4ark
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I'm comparing the impact religious based policies can have on those not within that religion.
and the impacts of modern fundamentalist Christianity and modern fundamentlaist islam are nowhere near the same
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Using faith as an excuse to deny rights, privileges, benefits, etc...just doesn't sit right with me. Government could be so easy if we'd just allow it to be.
again, go back to my 2nd point. the modern, western christian faith isn't really that out of line with my own beliefs
my moral code and their religious tenets came from the same thing: societal trial and error. there is going to be an overlap. you can try to claim religious or secular influence all you want, but at the end of the day, if it's in line with my beliefs, i'll let it slide if a lawmaker claims it was a message from god
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he tried to make them equivalent. they are not
No I didn't. I explicitly said as much. I'm drawing parallels to demonstrate the lack of cogent arguments.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:16 pm to goatmilker
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You sometimes have no clue.
Do you have just one history book and its the best damn book you ever read so you just read it over and over and over again?
If you ever decide to grow up, I'll debate you. However, I finished junior high school a long time ago, so I'm in no mood to play silly kid's games at this point in my life. By the way, how old are you?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:17 pm to ocelot4ark
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I'm drawing parallels to demonstrate the lack of cogent arguments.
these parallels only matter if you're including any faith system, which means you simply don't believe in law or government
i didn't think you were making that absurd of an argument
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and the impacts of modern fundamentalist Christianity and modern fundamentlaist islam are nowhere near the same
Who said they were? Quit creating strawmen.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and the impacts of modern fundamentalist Christianity and modern fundamentlaist islam are nowhere near the same
Did I say they were?
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again, go back to my 2nd point. the modern, western christian faith isn't really that out of line with my own beliefs
Your beliefs are irrelevant. I'm sure well over 50% of us would be more than happy for things to stay the same. More or less happy with how things are going. Certainly compared to (most of) the rest of the world.
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my moral code and their religious tenets came from the same thing: societal trial and error. there is going to be an overlap. you can try to claim religious or secular influence all you want, but at the end of the day, if it's in line with my beliefs, i'll let it slide if a lawmaker claims it was a message from god
I honestly think that we must be talking about 2 different things. People can believe whatever the frick they want to believe. But those beliefs shouldn't be used as an excuse to deny rights, privileges, benefits, etc to those who don't share the same beliefs. Same rules for everybody.
I'm starting to get this feeling that people are perfectly fine with our government treating people differently.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:19 pm to trackfan
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Who said they were?
they were compared without qualification
unless his point is that creating a law from any belief system is wrong (which means no laws), then he's comparing these 2 religions directly
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:21 pm to ocelot4ark
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But those beliefs shouldn't be used as an excuse to deny rights, privileges, benefits, etc to those who don't share the same beliefs.
give me an example in america today
you're speaking in extreme generalities to make this nice-sounding point, but in reality i don't believe you understand the impacts
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I'm starting to get this feeling that people are perfectly fine with our government treating people differently.
that's what all laws do. they create lines and place people on different sides of those lines, often with a punishment for being on the side society deems to be incorrect
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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unless his point is that creating a law from any belief system is wrong (which means no laws), then he's comparing these 2 religions directly
You're getting closer.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
You projecting SlowFlowPro. I follow what he's saying.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's what all laws do. they create lines and place people on different sides of those lines, often with a punishment for being on the side society deems to be incorrect
And this is totally fine and we should keep doing it because frick the minority.
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give me an example in america today
Gay marriage.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:23 pm to trackfan
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I find the "they want to turn this country into a theocracy" argument one the most boring and over used one's by the left and non christians.
Its a good fund raiser for sure.
I find the "they want to turn this country into a theocracy" argument one the most boring and over used one's by the left and non christians.
Its a good fund raiser for sure.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:25 pm to ocelot4ark
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And this is totally fine and we should keep doing it because frick the minority.
so you're an anarchist?
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Gay marriage.
that's denying rights based off sexual preference, not a difference in religious beliefs
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:26 pm to trackfan
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You projecting
projecting..what?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's denying rights
You should have just stopped right there. Who is behind it? Which states? Which party? And since Reagan, which party has increasingly strove to represent Christian ideal over Conservative ones?
You continue to miss the point.
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so you're an anarchist?
Not at all.
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