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Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:09 am to trackfan
quote:Bingo.
I think he may have been more afraid of what King was going to say than he was of what the two Hispanics were going to ask. Paul may have talked to them if he had been there by himself. Paul has taken questiions from random students at Howard and Berkeley, so why would he be afraid of taking questions from two random Hispanics?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Christians may push for laws that reflect their views, but i fail to see where anything close to that example exists in modern christian societies
i'm willing to wait for your examples
note: i am not religious
It's just my thoughts on the subject. Christians and conservatives are scared to death of Shariah Law, no (we all should be)?
But we're totally okay with allowing our own religious beliefs to dictate how we vote on things, or what our beliefs are. That would be fine if not for the fact that not everyone is a Christian.
So why is it okay for the Christian element to influence the lives of every citizen in this country, but Muslims are evil for letting their religion influence the lives of every citizen in THEIR countries?
The political climate in this country would be a lot more equitable if religious groups didn't wield the enormous influence they have. No more "sanctity of marriage" bullshite, tangential arguments that detract from bigger issues. Just a political system that would strive to treat everyone exactly the same.
You can be a Christian and not find it necessary to dictate to everyone else how they should live their lives. I mean, what kind of a challenge is it if we remove the things the bible wouldn't approve of? Traversing through sin is what separates us. Eliminating the sin is eliminating the choice.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:30 am to ocelot4ark
quote:Is it that you have no idea what Law is? Or is it the Shariah part that has you stumped?
So why is it okay for the Christian element to influence the lives of every citizen in this country, but Muslims are evil for letting their religion influence the lives of every citizen in THEIR countries?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:38 am to a want
You got your marching orders this morning I see from your fellow commies.
My take: Democrats = Commies /socialist / POS.
My take: Democrats = Commies /socialist / POS.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:41 am to ocelot4ark
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Christians and conservatives are scared to death of Shariah Law
Why aren't democrats scared of Sharia law?? It wages wars on women and gays like nobody's business, but its never talked about
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:43 am to fleaux
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Why aren't democrats scared of Sharia law
Because, for any sensible, rational American, Sharia Law will never take place in America.
Never. Ever. Ever.
Not that Democrats are rational, but the issue is a moot point.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:44 am to CherryGarciaMan
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Never. Ever. Ever.
500 years from now, if the US even exists, you're saying that it's impossible that muslims could be the majority?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:44 am to fleaux
I'm not afraid of Sharia law because I don't live in a Muslim-dominated country, I live in a Christian-dominated one.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:46 am to CherryGarciaMan
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Because, for any sensible, rational American, Sharia Law will never take place in America.
I dont mean here, just in general.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:47 am to ocelot4ark
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500 years from now
Humans won't exist in the capacity we do now.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:48 am to ocelot4ark
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So why is it okay for the Christian element to influence the lives of every citizen in this country, but Muslims are evil for letting their religion influence the lives of every citizen in THEIR countries?
it's not that i think it's OK for Christians to vote or influence politics based on their religious beliefs
first, we're comparing apples to oranges. when christians promote the same anti-societal/progressive policies that islamic theocratic states are famous for, then we can have an honest discussion comparing the 2
secondly (which is kind of a rehashing of the first point), modern christian values in America are much more western and advanced, and more in line with my own beliefs. due to this massive overlap, i don't mind it as much
this is not a difficult concept to grasp, and only the most whiney, "look at me" non-religious argue with it
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:48 am to trackfan
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I'm not afraid of Sharia law because I don't live in a Muslim-dominated country, I live in a Christian-dominated one.
I love when people try to compare the two. Tell me, how does Christianity negatively affect your daily life compared to how Sharia would?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:49 am to trackfan
Most of Europe was Christian dominated, now look at them. The Muslims are absolutely spreading in many of those countries like wildfire.
I don't want any religion dictating law in my or any country, but I think with the total placating pussies that liberal ideology is, it is certainly possible if we keep it up.
I don't want any religion dictating law in my or any country, but I think with the total placating pussies that liberal ideology is, it is certainly possible if we keep it up.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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first, we're comparing apples to oranges. when christians promote the same anti-societal/progressive policies that islamic theocratic states are famous for, then we can have an honest discussion comparing the 2
The only reason this country hasn't become more theocratic is because Chrisitan fundmentalists in this country don't have the numbers, while in Muslim countries the fundamentalist do have the numbers, which means the Islamists always prevail whenever Muslim countries hold free and fair elections.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:54 am to trackfan
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The only reason this country hasn't become more theocratic is because Chrisitan fundmentalists in this country don't have the numbers, while in Muslim countries the fundamentalist do have the numbers
that should tell you a lot about our society and its higher value than their society
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while in Muslim countries the fundamentalist do have the numbers,
well, on a side note, that doesn't do good things for the "radical muslims are the outlier" arguments
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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when christians promote the same anti-societal/progressive policies that islamic theocratic states are famous for, then we can have an honest discussion comparing the 2
Whatever FORM those influences take is irrelevant, IMO. My point isn't that Christian influence is anywhere near as damning. Just that the influence divides us on something that should be pretty fricking simple. Treat everyone the same.
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modern christian values in America are much more western and advanced, and more in line with my own beliefs.
It's come a long way. Don't get me wrong. Some churches openly accept homosexuals. Women are becoming pastors. Etc, etc.
But that's still not keeping the GOP from making social issues a bible issue. Pandering to Christian values is destroying the GOP.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:00 pm to ocelot4ark
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Whatever FORM those influences take is irrelevant, IMO.
you're entitled to your opinion, but that's insanity
you cannot compare promoting genital mutilation, making women 2nd class citizens, public beheadings, etc to not being able to buy alcohol on sundays or forcing bars to close at 2am...or saying the pledge with "under god" in it.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well, on a side note, that doesn't do good things for the "radical muslims are the outlier" arguments
I think you're confused. Osama bin Laden is the outlier for fundamentalist Muslims just like Eric Rudulph is the outlier for fundamentalist Chrisitians. Redep Erdogan is more representative of the fundamentalist Muslim mainstream just like Pat Roberson represents the fundementalist mainstream in this country.
By the way, do you consider yourself an Islamophobe?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you cannot compare promoting genital mutilation, making women 2nd class citizens, public beheadings, etc to not being able to buy alcohol on sundays or forcing bars to close at 2am...or saying the pledge with "under god" in it.
I didn't. I'm comparing the impact religious based policies can have on those not within that religion. Did I not just get through saying that I wasn't saying that Christian influeces weren't anything like the shite they do?
Muslim, "We have to slay this raped woman!"
Us, "That is terrible. What a stupid idea!"
Muslim, "Sorry - this is what our faith demands."
Using faith as an excuse to deny rights, privileges, benefits, etc...just doesn't sit right with me. Government could be so easy if we'd just allow it to be.
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