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Question for the PT junta regarding Flu being counted as Covid.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:22 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:22 am
The theory from the left is that masking/social distancing eradicated the flu and that is the reason for so few flu cases.
The theory from the right is that flu cases are actually being counted as Covid.
Not all scandals are created equal but this one is massive and if exposed could really red pill a lot of people so its worth more investigation IMO. Proving that masks and social distancing did not eradicate the flu should be easy to prove.
States that reduced masking mandates and lockdowns earlier like Fl and TX should have seen their flu cases rise accordingly and in far greater numbers than states that kept them in place.
Did this occur and why are we not looking at this data?
The theory from the right is that flu cases are actually being counted as Covid.
Not all scandals are created equal but this one is massive and if exposed could really red pill a lot of people so its worth more investigation IMO. Proving that masks and social distancing did not eradicate the flu should be easy to prove.
States that reduced masking mandates and lockdowns earlier like Fl and TX should have seen their flu cases rise accordingly and in far greater numbers than states that kept them in place.
Did this occur and why are we not looking at this data?
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:26 am to Robin Masters
No way masks eradicated the flu this past year. There are way too many people that have not been wearing masks or cared about distancing for the flu to have dropped to almost nothing. No way.
And the Covidians will be the first to tell you that too many people are not wearing masks or distancing.
And the Covidians will be the first to tell you that too many people are not wearing masks or distancing.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:29 am to Robin Masters
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The theory from the left is that masking/social distancing eradicated the flu and that is the reason for so few flu cases.
No, it was just the flu’s were counted as Covid.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:30 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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No, it was just the flu’s were counted as Covid.
I agree.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:33 am to Robin Masters
In the hospital where I work, people who are having flu-like symptoms are being tested for flu at the same time as COVID. There is no conspiracy to count the positive flu tests as COVID at our hospital. The fact is there are very few positive flu tests in the patient population, and I know this is 100% true. No one knows why exactly but this is the way it is.
The easiest explanation to imagine is that masks and social distancing have likely made a big impact. That does not mean it is the only reason flu is so scarce this year, but until a better theory with strong supporting data is put forward, I am leaning toward the widespread masking as the most likely cause for decreased flu transmission.
The easiest explanation to imagine is that masks and social distancing have likely made a big impact. That does not mean it is the only reason flu is so scarce this year, but until a better theory with strong supporting data is put forward, I am leaning toward the widespread masking as the most likely cause for decreased flu transmission.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:39 am to JT
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In the hospital where I work, people who are having flu-like symptoms are being tested for flu at the same time as COVID. There is no conspiracy to count the positive flu tests as COVID at our hospital. The fact is there are very few positive flu tests in the patient population, and I know this is 100% true. No one knows why exactly but this is the way it is. The easiest explanation to imagine is that masks and social distancing have likely made a big impact. That does not mean it is the only reason flu is so scarce this year, but until a better theory with strong supporting data is put forward, I am leaning toward the widespread masking as the most likely cause for decreased flu transmission.
This is dumb. Masking and social distancing eradicated the flu but not COVID?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:40 am to JT
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The easiest explanation to imagine is that masks and social distancing have likely made a big impact.
Well I would agree that it is easy to imagine, but explain the discrepancy why social distancing and masking prevented the spread of one airborne virus but not the other?
I have heard for a long time that the COVID tests were supposed to test for flu as well but were flawed in their sensitivity for detecting CV19.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:41 am to Robin Masters
quote:I find this difficult to believe because so many wear masks incorrectly, or made of useless materials. Many have also given up on masks for months now. Shouldn't there be a boom of flu in places that were less compliant with masks and distancing?
The theory from the left is that masking/social distancing eradicated the flu and that is the reason for so few flu cases
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:46 am to Chef Curry
This is dumb. Masking and social distancing eradicated the flu but not COVID?
Negative flu tests are negative flu tests. This is the fact I am witnessing on a daily basis. Process that however you like.
Negative flu tests are negative flu tests. This is the fact I am witnessing on a daily basis. Process that however you like.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:50 am to Robin Masters
Travel restrictions stopped the flu more than anything else. Various strains rely on travel to move between regions, finding areas where resistance has worn off in a population. Covid-19 spread because no one was resistant anywhere for the most part.
Also flu generally has a much shorter incubation period, so less of a chance to spread.
Also flu generally has a much shorter incubation period, so less of a chance to spread.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:58 am to Robin Masters
Covidians will simultaneously say masking and social distancing eradicated the flu but the reason we had so many deaths and COVID cases is because there was low compliancy on masking...
Wearing face masks to prevent the flu has been looked at MANY times in MANY scenarios and all the research has been inconclusive, at best. If wearing a dirty cloth mask prevented flu cases, someone would have found out by now. We've been dealing with the flu for the entireity of human existence.
Wearing face masks to prevent the flu has been looked at MANY times in MANY scenarios and all the research has been inconclusive, at best. If wearing a dirty cloth mask prevented flu cases, someone would have found out by now. We've been dealing with the flu for the entireity of human existence.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:00 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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No, it was just the flu’s were counted as Covid.
1000% correct.
COVID got places paid by the gubment for each test.
Type-A and Type-B did not.
Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. The problem is most people listen to what the media feeds them, rather than actually research the numbers themselves.
If folks readily had the susceptibility numbers of death from Type-A, Type-B, and SARS that they were thrown hourly on COVID, they would see those at risk are fricking identical.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:00 am to mmcgrath
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Travel restrictions stopped the flu more than anything else. Various strains rely on travel to move between regions, finding areas where resistance has worn off in a population. Covid-19 spread because no one was resistant anywhere for the most part.
Also flu generally has a much shorter incubation period, so less of a chance to spread.
This is a logical theory, mmcgrath. I am not saying I agree with it and can't argue one way or the other on your flu facts, but at least you led with logic, not feels.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:04 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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No, it was just the flu’s were counted as Covid.
I don't see how this is seriously in dispute.
I mean, I doubt they even tested 1% of folks for an influenza strain. They tested them for COVID and if they tested positive (whatever the frick that means/meant), then they treated them for COVID. Otherwise, they treated them generically for cold/flu without additional testing.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:17 am to Ace Midnight
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I mean, I doubt they even tested 1% of folks for an influenza strain.
Who is they? I'm saying we test everyone for flu. Think about it as if you are running a hospital. COVID patients require isolation. You have finite resources and cannot put everyone in isolation. You actually hope someone is positive for flu so you don't have to use another COVID isolation bed.
This is the test that is most often used:
THE BIOFIRE
RESPIRATORY 2.1 PANEL MENU
Overall 97.1% sensitivity and 99.3% specificity (prospective specimens) 3
SARS-CoV-2 98.4% PPA and 98.9% NPA4
Sample Type: Nasopharyngeal swab in transport media or saline
VIRUSES:
? Adenovirus
? Coronavirus HKU1
? Coronavirus NL63
? Coronavirus 229E
? Coronavirus OC43
? Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)
? Human Metapneumovirus
? Human Rhinovirus/Enterovirus
? Influenza A
? Influenza A/H1
? Influenza A/H3
? Influenza A/H1-2009
? Influenza B
? Parainfluenza Virus 1
? Parainfluenza Virus 2
? Parainfluenza Virus 3
? Parainfluenza Virus 4
? Respiratory Syncytial Virus
BACTERIA:
? Bordetella parapertussis
? Bordetella pertussis
? Chlamydia pneumoniae
? Mycoplasma pneumoniae
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:19 am to Robin Masters
The mask response would only make sense to explain a decrease in flu. It does not explain some places going from 20,000 cases of flu the prior year to zero this year.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:20 am to JT
quote:Perhaps the flu tests themselves were gamed? Consider that for a moment.
Negative flu tests are negative flu tests.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:23 am to JT
quote:LOL. Covid patients were not in isolated beds if tested positive. They were sent home to deal with it and told to "call your doctor if it got worse".
JT
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:25 am to HubbaBubba
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Perhaps the flu tests themselves were gamed? Consider that for a moment.
I have. I find it hard to believe that all the manufacturers of flu tests worldwide would knowingly collude to create faulty products to intentionally give false negatives. You are talking about thousands of mostly well-meaning people working for these companies. Someone would leak. But you of course are entitled to your own thoughts and opinions on the matter.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:25 am to JT
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No one knows why exactly but this is the way it is.
But we should follow their directions 100% of the time.
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