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re: Question for baseball fans...
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:27 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:27 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Back in the day it was easy since kids played on sandlots unsupervised by adults and totally free of charge. This. How many pick-up games do you see now? We actually made our own baseball field in Ford's Pasture that had constant use through spring and summer.
In 1960 you could not drive through a neighborhood in New Iberia during the summer and find a vacant lot that was not filled with kids playing ball on their own. The age range was usually 7 to 10. No adults. Older boys made sure the younger boys got instruction and encouragement.
We played till it was too dark to see the ball. Our parents didn't come to find us. We just walked home...about 4 or 5 blocks.
By the time you were 10 and played Little League you better be able to catch a fly ball behind your back in practice. Otherwise, your skill level was too low.
Since 1980 I have never seen any kids playing ball on any vacant lots. It's a part of Americana that is long gone. Norman Rockwell stuff.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:15 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
BHP that is a very disturbing mental image to have imparted into my brain at this early point in my day. I will have to have revenge soon.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:57 am to infantry1026
The reason people watch Major League Baseball is not from some sense of patriotism, it is because they want to watch the sport of baseball played by the best baseball players in the world. Love of baseball is about love of the game and love of one's team, not love for one's country.
If you believe that baseball should be for United States Citizens only, where does it stop? Should the Houston Astros only play players from the Greater Houston Area? Should the Colorado Rockies only have Colorado citizens on their roster? That would be insane and asinine.
The MLB is the league for the best of the best to play for the best teams in the best stadiums in the best damn country in the world for the love of the game, not for God and country, but for the game. Save the patriotism for the World Cup, Olympics, and World Championship competitions.
If you believe that baseball should be for United States Citizens only, where does it stop? Should the Houston Astros only play players from the Greater Houston Area? Should the Colorado Rockies only have Colorado citizens on their roster? That would be insane and asinine.
The MLB is the league for the best of the best to play for the best teams in the best stadiums in the best damn country in the world for the love of the game, not for God and country, but for the game. Save the patriotism for the World Cup, Olympics, and World Championship competitions.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:05 am to infantry1026
Baseball's been quite popular in many foreign countries for many decades.
For example, this wiki link indicates that pro baseball in Japan started in the 1920s.
LINK
Also, baseball in the latin american countries has been extremely popular for many decades.
MLB probably doesn't feel a duty to flood the league with foreign players. IMHO, that is false.
IMHO, you should not let this bother you. There's no conflict with your "conservative values" here. MLB used to be more "white" because it was a much smaller business concern way back when -- very much "small time" compared to today. Also, we have to remember that MLB suffered from segregation until after World War Two.
There have been MLB-quality baseball players in Japan and latin america for decades and decades, just as there were many MLB-quality baseball players in the Negro Leagues.
The game has evolved and matured to the point that these great players now have the opportunity to become MLB players. That's a great thing and TOTALLY consistent with our conservative values.
For example, this wiki link indicates that pro baseball in Japan started in the 1920s.
LINK
Also, baseball in the latin american countries has been extremely popular for many decades.
MLB probably doesn't feel a duty to flood the league with foreign players. IMHO, that is false.
IMHO, you should not let this bother you. There's no conflict with your "conservative values" here. MLB used to be more "white" because it was a much smaller business concern way back when -- very much "small time" compared to today. Also, we have to remember that MLB suffered from segregation until after World War Two.
There have been MLB-quality baseball players in Japan and latin america for decades and decades, just as there were many MLB-quality baseball players in the Negro Leagues.
The game has evolved and matured to the point that these great players now have the opportunity to become MLB players. That's a great thing and TOTALLY consistent with our conservative values.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:46 am to infantry1026
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My concern is the fact that there has been an onus by MLB to flood the league with foreign players.
I'm not sure you know what "onus" means, but there has been no order to bring foreign born players in...there are just a lot of good players coming out of the DR, VZ and some defectors from Cuba. The best players play.
This is just a terrible post in general - a mixing of nativism with utter ignorance. Congrats.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:01 pm to infantry1026
It's the World Series, and its Major League Baseball.
Bring in the best, let them compete and the end result is a better product for all concerned.
Bring in the best, let them compete and the end result is a better product for all concerned.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:01 pm to infantry1026
Please stop replying to him. You are just giving him more opportunities to race bait the board. He doesn't know you from Adam's house at but has you pegged as a racist based on your claim to be conservative. Never mind that conservative in the context you used it simply means valuing things the way they were...and, in this specific instance....baseball. Yet somehow, you valuing baseball as it once was makes you a racist. And as a result of my commenting in your favor, I am now a racist in his mind. Just stop eating his delicious race bait. No need to continue defending yourself. The majority of us know what your point was.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:34 pm to Champagne
quote:
Baseball's been quite popular in many foreign countries for many decades.
For example, this wiki link indicates that pro baseball in Japan started in the 1920s.
LINK
Also, baseball in the latin american countries has been extremely popular for many decades.
MLB probably doesn't feel a duty to flood the league with foreign players. IMHO, that is false.
IMHO, you should not let this bother you. There's no conflict with your "conservative values" here. MLB used to be more "white" because it was a much smaller business concern way back when -- very much "small time" compared to today. Also, we have to remember that MLB suffered from segregation until after World War Two.
There have been MLB-quality baseball players in Japan and latin america for decades and decades, just as there were many MLB-quality baseball players in the Negro Leagues.
The game has evolved and matured to the point that these great players now have the opportunity to become MLB players. That's a great thing and TOTALLY consistent with our conservative values.
Great post, thanks for the input.
This was kind of where my conflict was regarding my "purist" view of the game (An American born game etc.) vs. my conservative beliefs that a business owner (team owner) should be able to emply whomever they want to.
There were some guys who turned this thread into something that i was not intending, but the posters like yourself who gave great info; really helped me gather and focus my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:36 pm to Dick Leverage
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:03 pm to infantry1026
quote:
This was kind of where my conflict was regarding my "purist" view of the game (An American born game etc.) vs. my conservative beliefs that a business owner (team owner) should be able to emply whomever they want to.
Baseball Purism/Traditionalism is really the core issue here. MLB evolution from a small time and very parochial quasi-business prior to WW2 to the billions of dollars industry that it is today is to blame for the loss of this sense of Traditionalism or Purism.
Not too long ago, the ONLY MLB team from south of the Mason-Dixon Line was the Saint Louis Cardinals National League Baseball Club -- and that was the case for many decades. They were also the furthest team to the West for many decades.
This was all when MLB was primarily a quasi-business concentrated in the North East. This was way back when the National League and American League each had only eight teams. Whatever team had the most wins in each league would win the pennant and would play in the World Series. There were no playoffs back then besides the WS.
That's why it was such a radical and earth-shaking event when both the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants moved to California after the 1957 MLB season -- because there were no MLB teams further west than the Cards at that time.
The MLB teams back then had scouts, but, scouting back then was not the science that it is today. MANY MLB quality players were out there back then but never got a chance because they were never scouted.
MLB in 1940 was a Lemonade Stand "business" compared to today. In fact, there's a Supreme Court decision that's still good law today that says MLB is NOT a business! That's why MLB is exempt from some laws that regulate business practices.
IMHO, this evolution of MLB is the reason for all of these things you've noticed about the game today.
Final thought, have you ever heard of the San Francisco Seals? For a long time, this minor league team was SF's beloved home team. Joe DiMaggio played for them before the Yankees noticed him. For most of the USA back then, the only baseball they could know was minor league ball, because of MLB's concentration in the north east.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:47 pm to infantry1026
Really?
No seriously, I mean really?
No seriously, I mean really?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:57 pm to Champagne
A lot of large cities had beloved minor leauge teams as well. The Atlanta Crackers that played at Ponce De Leon Park starting in 1907 were beloved by the people and regularly filled the parks 20k seat stadium. The Atlanta Black Crackers also played there. The park was known for the huge Magnolia tree in centerfield. Balls hit into the tree remained in play. There are still plenty of old timers around who loved that team and that park, including my dad. Baseball was so awesome then as far as bringing communities together. The Wiki read on Ponce de Leon Park has some cool photos.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:10 pm to Dick Leverage
Yes, exactly my train of thought.
MLB was still segregated during the hey-day of the minor leagues.
The New Orleans Pelicans Baseball Club was the home baseball team of NOLA for many decades -- always a minor league team.
MLB was still segregated during the hey-day of the minor leagues.
The New Orleans Pelicans Baseball Club was the home baseball team of NOLA for many decades -- always a minor league team.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:36 pm to Champagne
Quick CSB.
When I was strapping young PFC standing post on the fenceline of GTMO keeping the commie hordes at bay, I would watch the Cuban kids across the minefield play baseball with sticks and gloves made out of duct tape with no shoes on. I think I was supposed to be watching the Cuban soldiers but that was fricking boring so I watched kids play baseball. They were obviously poor as dirt but the could fricking play. Those 7 - 15 year olds would walk circles around most HS teams in America. I have no doubt that half of them could have grown up to be MLB talent if given the opportunity.
When I was strapping young PFC standing post on the fenceline of GTMO keeping the commie hordes at bay, I would watch the Cuban kids across the minefield play baseball with sticks and gloves made out of duct tape with no shoes on. I think I was supposed to be watching the Cuban soldiers but that was fricking boring so I watched kids play baseball. They were obviously poor as dirt but the could fricking play. Those 7 - 15 year olds would walk circles around most HS teams in America. I have no doubt that half of them could have grown up to be MLB talent if given the opportunity.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:37 pm to infantry1026
quote:It literally doesn't bother me in the least.
My question for the poli board is.....what are your thoughts on this? Does it concern you that American born players are losing out on their opportunity due to immigrants?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:39 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Exactly my point. Repetitions of movement from an early age without adult supervision. It becomes muscle memory. You don't have to think. You just react.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:47 pm to TK421
quote:only thru appropriate Visa plans, with appropriate preference given to US nationals.
This is the conservative viewpoint.
Unless you've invented a new type of conservative I'm not familiar with.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:50 pm to infantry1026
How the hell has this thread lasted this long? 
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:25 pm to Srbtiger06
Because it's about baseball. The greatest sport evah!!!
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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GTMO
Baseball is huge in Cuba. Fidel himself is a huge baseball fan.
I hear the Cuban baseball scores as I monitor Cuban shortwave radio broadcasts to the USA.
Cuba has an English language program on shortwave that broadcasts to the USA every evening. It's an hour long show that's repeated about four times per evening.
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