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re: President Trump Proposes 1.9% Average 2018 Federal Employee Raise

Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:01 pm to
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:01 pm to
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If you want a GS13 job, it is not just a promotion, you have to find a GS13 job opening, apply for it and compete for it.


Depends on what position you get into. Some positions have ladders. But increase to the next level only happens if you meet certain performance levels
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:01 pm to
I'm not a fan across the board, but you do not get a cost of living increase every year nor do you get an increase in experience every year. We went several years without a living cost increase. Most step increases are every 2 - 3 years after step 4. We also have not received any kind of bonus in a couple of years.

Again, not a fan of across the board, just seems the easiest so they do it. We lose alot of employees to the private sector because most of the time, the private sector pays better. A large percentage of our workers are seasonal or subject to furlough with a mandatory 4 weeks per year. I'm kind of at a crossroads myself with the decision to stay or go back to the private sector.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54207 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:16 pm to
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He is? You realize raises aren't the problem, right?


I realize pouring gas on a fire doesn't help put the fire out, right?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35391 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:22 pm to
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In the GS pay scale if you come in as a GS12 step 1 you will get a step in crease every year until step 5 or 6, after that it is every 3 years until you top out at step 9. This is in addition to COLA. If you want a GS13 job, it is not just a promotion, you have to find a GS13 job opening, apply for it and compete for it. There are other pay scales now like NSP and ACQDEMO that are being experimented with which I like where an organization gets a pot of money and disperses it based on merit.

That is how it works in the private sector too.

Additionally, private companies can have pay scales for certain positions. You might be happy to stay at a certain position, but don't count on anything beyond a COLA if you hit the ceiling.

The point is that the entry level GS12 after year one will now get a COLA, Step increase, and a 1.9% salary increase on top. So that is like a 5% raise this year? Regardless of performance and outperforming the private sector like it has for the last 8 years plus, no?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:28 pm to
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outperforming the private sector like it has for the last 8 years plus, no?
the hell? How do you even measure public sector performance?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35391 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:29 pm to
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I'm not a fan across the board, but you do not get a cost of living increase every year nor do you get an increase in experience every year. We went several years without a living cost increase. Most step increases are every 2 - 3 years after step 4. We also have not received any kind of bonus in a couple of years.
There is probably some difference between federal and state / local contracts which I have more experience with. And the private sector salaries have been increasing of late, but mostly stagnant for the previous 6 or 7.

I think the increase could be helpful including a secondary effect on private wages, but this is something that the Republican Congress has strongly opposed for several years now.

I support it, but I just have to point out that it isn't a cost savings measure as some of the posters were thinking it was.
Posted by GIbson05
Member since Feb 2009
4292 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:41 pm to
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In the GS pay scale if you come in as a GS12 step 1 you will get a step in crease every year until step 5 or 6, after that it is every 3 years until you top out at step 9.

You get step increase every year for steps 1-3, then steps 4-6 take 2 years, and 7-9 are every 3.

I'm sure there are some government agency that are FULL of lazy fricks, but DOD actually bust arse at work.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:05 pm to
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I'm sure there are some government agency that are FULL of lazy fricks,


DCR offices in every agency office
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