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re: President* Biden: A Black man should be able to go for a jog without fearing for his life!
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:15 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:15 pm to Seldom Seen
All hail the white liberal rulers. They better remember mike brown also, because they need a pretty big distraction from the fact that Biden thinks black people are too dumb to use the internet.
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Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:16 pm to AUjim
quote:
I appreciate your honest assessment -
I think for Arbery, he was forced into legit, basic, primal fight or flight mode, and he chose incorrectly.
agree with this. he was outnumbered and didn't have a gun. maybe these guys were racist assholes. maybe they weren't. attacking them was the wrong move whether he was in the right for defending himself.
i'm all about stand your ground in his situation, but he chose poorly.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:18 pm to Seldom Seen
The most racist administration in history!
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:21 pm to AUjim
quote:Valid point of discussion.
I think for Arbery, he was forced into legit, basic, primal fight or flight mode, and he chose incorrectly.
If Arbery had run past the truck and just kept running along the shoulder, would McMichael have shot him in the back as he ran away? Probably not, but that truckload of redneckks probably WOULD have just zipped past him and tried to set another roadblock 100 yards down the street.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:25 pm to tketaco
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Just throwing racist around like it's candy.
The shooter said stupid fricking "N" word after shooting him and had made multiple racist comments of social media.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:32 pm to Seldom Seen
No mention of jogging in Timberlands, huh?
Or carrying a claw hammer?
The Charlottesville Lie 2.0.
3.0 is Breonna Taylor was asleep and not running around her apartment wide awake because she was a gang-banging thug.
Or carrying a claw hammer?
The Charlottesville Lie 2.0.
3.0 is Breonna Taylor was asleep and not running around her apartment wide awake because she was a gang-banging thug.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:37 pm to Goat Rider
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I don't think I've ever seen a black man jog before.
Meh. I see black runners/joggers all the time.
They're not wearing cargo shorts, work boots and carrying a hammer, though.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:40 pm to VoxDawg
quote:I linked the video above.
No mention of jogging in Timberlands, huh?
Or carrying a claw hammer?
Arbery is clearly NOT wearing jeans, as alleged earlier in this thread. He is clearly wearing low-top footwear, rather than the "Timberland boots" claimed on most right-wing outlets. Maybe you are referencing Timberland dock shoes, but they look like pretty standard athletic shoes to me.
Hammer? I don't see a hammer in the video, but it might be hard to spot. Of course, the police reports make no mention of a hammer, either.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:40 pm to AggieHank86
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The reporting indicates that someone matching his description (and identified by his family) WAS taped entering a house under construction, looking around, and leaving without taking anything. Was he scouting for LATER theft? Maybe. But that seems to be the extent of anything caught on video.
This is all correct. Only thing I will add is that the guys who killed him personally witnessed him entering the house. This is why they confronted him in the first place. And the reason they did that is because they had personally had their property robbed not long before this. None of them recognized him (so he didn't live in the area) and none of them had ever seen him "jogging" before.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:42 pm to VoxDawg
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No mention of jogging in Timberlands, huh?
Or carrying a claw hammer?
He was wearing gray athletic shoes and was not carrying a claw hammer.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:44 pm to mouton
sad
This post was edited on 2/23/21 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:45 pm to AggieHank86
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Did the McMichael son approach and accost Arbery, or did Arbery just randomly rush a guy holding a shotgun? The video does not answer that question.
First of all - this story is getting quite old and my memory certainly isn't perfect - I have little question that Arbery was "up to no good", based on the totality of the evidence. Whether it was simple trespass, criminal mischief, burglary, we don't know. What we don't have evidence of is violent intent.
Second - this is one where the video is a double-edged sword - why video yourselves if you, yourself, are up to no good (of course, stupid kids do it all the time, these were stupid adults, regardless)
Third - once I figured out the chase car with the video was with the dudes in the truck, I completely changed attitude on Arbery.
Sure, he shouldn't have been fricking around there, shouldn't have gone back to the property (probably over and over), but he wasn't unknown to these folks. He a beef with the son (IIRC) who accused him of breaking in a vehicle. Once he was boxed in - I don't know what other choice they afforded him except to fight.
They didn't have to detain him with deadly force over a property crime - none of them were at risk. He was trying to run away. They could have called the cops, had video of him in the area at least, certainly could have been probable cause to match his fingerprints against those at the construction site.
Probably would have scared him into staying away, that's for sure.
This whole ugly incident is off-putting.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:46 pm to mouton
Interesting social experiment.
I posted an objective analysis of the video, but I put it in two posts. One post contains the facts favorable to the McMichael family (the shooters). The other post contains the facts favorable to Arbery.
One post received near-unanimous upvotes, and the other received near-unanimous downvotes.
Interesting, yes?
I posted an objective analysis of the video, but I put it in two posts. One post contains the facts favorable to the McMichael family (the shooters). The other post contains the facts favorable to Arbery.
One post received near-unanimous upvotes, and the other received near-unanimous downvotes.
Interesting, yes?
This post was edited on 2/23/21 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:46 pm to AUstar
quote:That is incorrect. They never saw him enter or exit the construction. The father saw him run by and initiated the pursuit at that point.
...the guys who killed him personally witnessed him entering the house.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:49 pm to Barn_Owl
quote:They had no authority to detain him, armed or not. They did not directly observe the trespassing incident nor were they informed of it by a first hand witness. They pursued him solely based on information they had second hand from a previous incident.
It’s far from murder when someone engages u and attempts to gain control of the weapon in ur hands.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:56 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Interesting, yes?
Yep.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 1:58 pm to Seldom Seen
And white people should be able to go shopping or visit their sons grave without being hunted by black men.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 2:00 pm to Seldom Seen
Crazy people exist in all colors. Nobody should have to ever fear for their life.
A white woman was just killed for no reason in Metairie by a black man while she was shopping for protection.
Don't hear anyone saying white people should be able to shop without fear of a racist black man killing them.
Nobody should have to fear for their life, but unfortunately some people are crazy.
It sucks. What about white and black people affected by crime of black people in poor areas? And then some family members place the blame back on systemic racism. How about people have accountability, respect, and compassion. And I don't understand this excuse of because they grow up poor. My family grew as poor as it could get and they would never murder anyone. I'm so sick of the white man bad and poor excuse.
What happened to Ahmaud Arbery was tragic from my understanding of it. Unfortunately there are too many tragic events that happen to all people.
I just don't agree with constantly talking about race and then vilifying one race. I don't see how it's going to stop insane people from doing insane things. Maybe talk more about mental health and looking into addressing that. I was talking politics with someone on the internet this week and the first thing they wanted to know before we went any further was my race. So tired of it.
A white woman was just killed for no reason in Metairie by a black man while she was shopping for protection.
Don't hear anyone saying white people should be able to shop without fear of a racist black man killing them.
Nobody should have to fear for their life, but unfortunately some people are crazy.
It sucks. What about white and black people affected by crime of black people in poor areas? And then some family members place the blame back on systemic racism. How about people have accountability, respect, and compassion. And I don't understand this excuse of because they grow up poor. My family grew as poor as it could get and they would never murder anyone. I'm so sick of the white man bad and poor excuse.
What happened to Ahmaud Arbery was tragic from my understanding of it. Unfortunately there are too many tragic events that happen to all people.
I just don't agree with constantly talking about race and then vilifying one race. I don't see how it's going to stop insane people from doing insane things. Maybe talk more about mental health and looking into addressing that. I was talking politics with someone on the internet this week and the first thing they wanted to know before we went any further was my race. So tired of it.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 2:04 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
2 things can be true:
1. Ahmad Arbery was in no way just "out for a jog".
2. Ahmad Arbery was murdered undeservingly and it's not even close.
3. The fevered narrative that black men are perpetual victims and are “being hunted” contributed to Ahmad Arbery’s death by making him panic and attack an armed man.
Posted on 2/23/21 at 2:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
AggieHank86
quote:
objective analysis
Uh, not so fast there bug guy. Let’s not get all crazy with our self-analysis.
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