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re: Pope issues statement saying he is open to change regarding Priests marriage
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:09 am to Zephyrius
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:09 am to Zephyrius
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You do know there are married priests in certain circumstances, right?
Yes Anglican and Episcopal priests that convert to Roman Catholicism are allowed to stay married. That's mosly what you are talking about.
I really don't see a problem with it. Greek Orthodox priests are allowed to be married, but they must forfeit any chance of rising in the church above being a Monsignor.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:52 am to Pecker
You've been misinformed by charlatan liars. You should do some independent research and open your eyes before you repeat such idiotic statements.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:04 am to Seldom Seen
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This will be the first time I've agreed with Commie Pope
This. Other than that, he is a POS
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:04 am to FooManChoo
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The Levitical priesthood was abolished with Christ as we now have the priesthood of the believer, where every Christian offers their own bodies as living sacrifices to God. Christ is our intermediary and we have no need to go to a priest when we have direct access to the high priest of God (Jesus). The Bible teaches us that the church government should have elders/bishops, but not priests.
Yeah, he ended the levitical with the "priesthood of Malkezidech(sp?)... guess what they offered?? Bread and Wine... You know the whole Last Supper "Do this in memory of Me"... and your big issue with John Chapter 6 "must eat My Body(bread) drink "My Blood(wine)" thing...
And what church govt... you mean the Church established by Christ "Keys of the Kingdom"... The Church that has historical succession of popes since the Apostle Peter...
Like I said twist and turn to justify your own popeness...
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:09 am to Eurocat
Good and I support it. It makes sense and in the history of Catholicism, priests have had the right to get married longer than they have not.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:11 am to FooManChoo
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believe the RC church is a false church that has rejected the sole authority and sufficiency of the Bible
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The Levitical priesthood was abolished with Christ as we now have the priesthood of the believer, where every Christian offers their own bodies as living sacrifices to God.
So everyone is their own pope, and by your logic, is infallible in their interpretation of scripture.
Therefore, because you don't make room for an infallible authority which is common to others who read your infallible book you have a decision to make. You either have to accuse everyone who differs from you as being a heretic and mislead, or you have to give in to moral relativity.
Which is it? Are you the only infallible interpreter?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:14 am to Eurocat
This is kind of just a policy that priests can't marry. This is something the Pope could allow.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:22 am to Jimbeaux
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You've been misinformed by charlatan liars. You should do some independent research and open your eyes before you repeat such idiotic statements.
Your mistake is assuming this hasn't been done. Your other mistake is pretending like there isn't enough information available to fill an entire library that exposes the Catholic church for its lies and corruption.
Sorry you're in denial. Keep praying to Mary and angels, and confessing your sins to pedophiles. Let me know how that works out for you
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:30 am to Bench McElroy
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Smartest thing a pope has said in the last 2000 years.
why?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:31 am to Pecker
Aren't you quite the little ball of hate.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:49 am to KiwiHead
Several of the Eastern Rites (Byzantine, Melkite, etc.) of the Church have always allowed married men to become priests. They usually cannot marry after becoming a priest, which comports with the situation Pope Francis talks about. They are usually not chosen to be Bishops either, meaning that in those rites the Bishops come from the monasteries.
It's a discipline of the Latin Rite. The Pope, as the leader of the Latin Rite in addition to being the leader of the universal Church, could change the rule.
It's a discipline of the Latin Rite. The Pope, as the leader of the Latin Rite in addition to being the leader of the universal Church, could change the rule.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:50 am to Eurocat
Wow the next thing you know the Muslims will condemn lashing women and throwing homosexuals off of roofs
Posted on 3/10/17 at 12:06 pm to Eurocat
Funny thing is...there were already married priests in the Catholic religion. Fr John Giles from the Diocese of Lake Charles was a Methodist minister who converted to Catholicism and wanted to be ordained. He had been married several decades...He was ordained and in fact taught our Pre-Cana marriage class that my fiance (now my wife) and I attended prior to our marriage.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 12:24 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
I'm an atheist so I don't know much about religion, but isn't the Pope considered "God on Earth?"
Posted on 3/10/17 at 12:56 pm to Zephyrius
quote:There isn't a new priesthood except for that of the individual believer as we don't need anyone other than Christ to make sacrifices on our behalf; Christ did that once which covers all of the sins of all of His people throughout eternity. Christ was the priest offering His body as a sacrifice for sin, just as the priests in the OT did. With His sacrifice, no others would be needed. Christ is our high priest and we don't need other priests to do for the people what Christ has already done for us.
Yeah, he ended the levitical with the "priesthood of Malkezidech(sp?)... guess what they offered?? Bread and Wine... You know the whole Last Supper "Do this in memory of Me"... and your big issue with John Chapter 6 "must eat My Body(bread) drink "My Blood(wine)" thing...
I believe it is heretical to participate in the "sacrifice of the mass" as it is viewed as a continual sacrifice of Jesus' body over and over again for sinners instead of a remembrance of the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus. There's a reason why Protestants call it "communion"; we believe that eating the bread (not His literal body) and drinking the wine (not His literal blood) is communing with Christ in Heaven. We aren't cannibals. We don't need a priest to bless the cup or the bread because there is no magic involved. We take the literal symbols to remind of us the actual sacrifice that Christ made on our behalf.
quote:"Historical" being the key word there. Like I said, I believe the RC church to be a false church since it does not recognize the Bible as the sole authority but instead places tradition and council decisions on equal footing, which in reality means it puts those above scripture since the practical application is that the Bible cannot be interpreted outside of tradition and the unilateral decrees of the Pope and his councils.
And what church govt... you mean the Church established by Christ "Keys of the Kingdom"... The Church that has historical succession of popes since the Apostle Peter...
The Church is not the Pope or the church of Rome. It is the church universal, or rather the totality of believers in Christ all over the world.
quote:I don't think I'm a Pope at all. I don't determine truth, I just have the freedom to read the Bible and I believe in biblical perspicuity, which means that I believe it is clear and understandable enough for the common person to read it and know everything they need to know about salvation in Christ without needing a higher-tier holy person telling them what it means.
Like I said twist and turn to justify your own popeness...
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:01 pm to FooManChoo
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I don't think I'm a Pope at all. I don't determine truth, I just have the freedom to read the Bible and I believe in biblical perspicuity, which means that I believe it is clear and understandable enough for the common person to read it and know everything they need to know about salvation in Christ without needing a higher-tier holy person telling them what it means.
What about before the printing press made widespread distribution of the Bible possible? And many of the "common people" were illiterate until recently in human history.
Just playing devil's advocate...
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:03 pm to Eurocat
It's an inevitability. They simply don't have the numbers these days.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:07 pm to AUstar
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I'm an atheist so I don't know much about religion, but isn't the Pope considered "God on Earth?"
No, he's considered God's mouthpiece and has always been considered to be infallible which is why it was a big deal when the pope recently said he was, indeed, fallible.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:07 pm to Foch
quote:Not at all. Like I just said in another post, I believe in biblical perspicuity. I believe the Bible is clear and understandable for all we need for salvation and any person can read the Bible and understand what Christ did for sinners. I don't think any person is infallible in their understanding and interpretation of scripture, including the Pope (past, present, and future), who has often held a contradicting understanding compared to other Popes throughout history.
So everyone is their own pope, and by your logic, is infallible in their interpretation of scripture.
quote:There can only be one true interpretation of scripture, but only God knows what that is. I don't believe that everyone is right, nor do I believe that there is one human that knows what is right. I believe that the Bible is clear in what God has related in terms of salvation and knowing who God is and who man is. The finer points may be up for interpretation but I believe it's important for all people who read and study the Bible to have a proper approach to it.
Therefore, because you don't make room for an infallible authority which is common to others who read your infallible book you have a decision to make. You either have to accuse everyone who differs from you as being a heretic and mislead, or you have to give in to moral relativity.
Which is it? Are you the only infallible interpreter?
I believe the Bible outlines how we are to read it and interpret it: "scripture interprets scripture" is the phrase most often used for that point. Where there is an unclear passage, you use a clearer passage to interpret it. Those who have helicopter hermeneutics (they fly in on a specific spot/verse and try to understand it on its own rather than using context to guide interpretation) often misunderstand the Bible because they are forcing their own pretexts onto the texts.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:22 pm to UGATiger26
quote:Forgive me but I don't understand how that is relevant. Access to the text is different than the ability to understand it.
What about before the printing press made widespread distribution of the Bible possible? And many of the "common people" were illiterate until recently in human history.
Just playing devil's advocate...
The protestant reformation was greatly assisted by the invention of the printing press because the press made reading materials easier to reproduce and circulate. Before that, everything was hand-written, which was very time consuming and expensive. That meant that ordinary people didn't have the means to afford texts to learn to read and they had to rely on others to tell them what to think because they couldn't learn for themselves. That and the fact that the RC church didn't allow for the Bible to be translated into the common tongues meant that the average person had no access to the scriptures outside of the RC church.
One of Martin Luther's greatest achievements was translating the Bible into the vulgar tongue (German, in his case). The educated learned Latin and could read the Bible (if they had access to it) in Latin, in which it was printed. The priests conducted mass in Latin, as well, all the way up until the 2nd Vatican Council in the mid-1900's. Those who didn't know Latin were out of luck if they wanted to read or hear and understand the scriptures. They had to rely entirely on whatever the priests said and couldn't hold them accountable for what they taught because they held the scriptures and essentially kept them to themselves.
To your point, those before the printing press and more specifically, the protestant reformation which made the scriptures available to the common person via the printing press required others to tell them what the Bible said. They had to put their trust entirely upon other fallible men to know the truth and they had no way of knowing for themselves what the scriptures taught. It's one reason why I believe the RC church is a false church: it kept the treasures of the scriptures out of the hands of the people and kept those same people ignorant of the truth so that they could not be challenged.
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