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re: Pope Demands “ Legitimate Redistribution ” of Wealth Per Drudge.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:03 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:03 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
A simple "yes" would have sufficed. 
Look, I get it. I know what it's like to have a serious conviction about things like this, I did for many years. And as I said earlier, I took it much more seriously than the majority of christians I knew then and know now.
At the end of the day though, such stories just dont hold up in the light of 21st century knowledge in my opinion. A serious inquiry into the legitimacy of the claims of christianity, or any religion for that matter, leaves you with little reasoning and lots of apologetic squirming out of serious issues. At the end of the day, I had to choose between everything I experienced in the natural world and the theology of men defending positions contrary to our common senses.
As for your personal anecdotes about speaking to God, understand that I have no more reason to believe you than I do the Hindus, Muslims and Jews who have heard God's voice. Moreover, I have no way of knowing your psychological state, as you could have an undiagnosed psychological disorder causing auditory hallucinations for all I know.
Look, I get it. I know what it's like to have a serious conviction about things like this, I did for many years. And as I said earlier, I took it much more seriously than the majority of christians I knew then and know now.
At the end of the day though, such stories just dont hold up in the light of 21st century knowledge in my opinion. A serious inquiry into the legitimacy of the claims of christianity, or any religion for that matter, leaves you with little reasoning and lots of apologetic squirming out of serious issues. At the end of the day, I had to choose between everything I experienced in the natural world and the theology of men defending positions contrary to our common senses.
As for your personal anecdotes about speaking to God, understand that I have no more reason to believe you than I do the Hindus, Muslims and Jews who have heard God's voice. Moreover, I have no way of knowing your psychological state, as you could have an undiagnosed psychological disorder causing auditory hallucinations for all I know.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 5:09 pm
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Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Good, believe them all.
As for your personal anecdotes about speaking to God, understand that I have no more reason to believe you than I do the Hindus, Muslims and Jews who have heard God's voice
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:23 pm to NC_Tigah
That would kinda throw a wrench in Christianity's claim of exclusivity.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:26 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
Pope Demands “ Legitimate Redistribution ” of Wealth Per Drudge.
Catholicism and Islam are third world religions. The Calvinist Protestants and the Jews will always be far more economically viable due to the fact these two understand the value of child investments and generational economic planning.
Quantity vs. Quality
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:39 pm to NoNameNeeded
Over a third of the world's catholics live in America and western Europe
Posted on 5/9/14 at 5:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Over a third of the world's catholics live in America and western Europe
Is 1/3 a majority? It's pretty obvious that the remaining Catholics still residing in Europe are not plentifully reproducing. The majority of Catholics and Muslims reside in third world countries, and it's obvious that the vast majority of these people are too impulsive to practice responsible reproduction and can't live within their means.
Why should the responsible people redistribute their wealth, as the Pope suggests we ought to do, to the selfish people who simply refuse to live responsibly and care very little for their progeny's wellbeing?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:06 pm to NoNameNeeded
Its still almost 400 million people man. That's about 7% of the world's entire population. It's a shite ton of people.
Using economic policy to trash one religion in favor of another is idiotic, and I have no love for religion. It's just a way of bashing "the other guys" why claiming moral and religious superiority.
The culture of the third world is what leads to what we see, not catholicism.
Using economic policy to trash one religion in favor of another is idiotic, and I have no love for religion. It's just a way of bashing "the other guys" why claiming moral and religious superiority.
The culture of the third world is what leads to what we see, not catholicism.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:09 pm to JoBoo
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If we are a country founded on such, the government would follow such principles.
No. Forced "charity" isn't charity.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Agreed
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
Well it sure is a good thing libs have already established that they hate Catholics, no reason for them to listen to him. He's merely the head of a cult. They'd never listen to the head of a cult. Well, on second thought the lib icon Harvey Milk was extremely tight with Jim Jones so maybe I am wrong about that.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:47 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Perhaps.
That would kinda throw a wrench in Christianity's claim of exclusivity.
I'm a fan of catholic (little "c") places of faith.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:49 pm to JoBoo
quote:Whoa, wait...WHAT?!?
Take that shite to Russia, you commie.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 7:00 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
I would like to know his opinions of removing all tax free benefits of the Catholic Church and make them pay for income equality out of their own pockets.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 7:06 pm to 3nOut
quote:Why in God's name would that seem a good idea?
I would like to know his opinions of removing all tax free benefits of the Catholic Church and make them pay for income equality out of their own pockets.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 7:16 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:ISWYDT
Why in God's name would that seem a good idea?
I think....
Posted on 5/9/14 at 7:17 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Take that shite to Russia, you commie.
Whoa, wait...WHAT?!?
quote:So sensitive!
LSURussian
Posted on 5/9/14 at 7:18 pm to LSURussian
quote:
ISWYDT
I think....
. . . have to have some funPosted on 5/9/14 at 7:19 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/9/14 at 9:15 pm to LSURussian
I just wanted to add something real quick
an important principle in Catholic Social Teaching that cannot be ignored is the universal destination of goods.
I think I could be wrong on this that Francis' remarks could be based n this principle. The Universal destination of goods means there does need to be some redistribution in society.
an important principle in Catholic Social Teaching that cannot be ignored is the universal destination of goods.
quote:
171. Among the numerous implications of the common good, immediate significance is taken on by the principle of the universal destination of goods: “God destined the earth and all it contains for all men and all peoples so that all created things would be shared fairly by all mankind under the guidance of justice tempered by charity”360. This principle is based on the fact that “the original source of all that is good is the very act of God, who created both the earth and man, and who gave the earth to man so that he might have dominion over it by his work and enjoy its fruits (Gen 1:28–29). God gave the earth to the whole human race for the sustenance of all its members, without excluding or favouring anyone.
This is the foundation of the universal destination of the earth’s goods. The earth, by reason of its fruitfulness and its capacity to satisfy human needs, is God’s first gift for the sustenance of human life”361. The human person cannot do without the material goods that correspond to his primary needs and constitute the basic conditions for his existence; these goods are absolutely indispensable if he is to feed himself, grow, communicate, associate with others, and attain the highest purposes to which he is called362.
I think I could be wrong on this that Francis' remarks could be based n this principle. The Universal destination of goods means there does need to be some redistribution in society.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 9:21 pm to catholictigerfan
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171. Among the numerous implications of the common good, immediate significance is taken on by the principle of the universal destination of goods: “God destined the earth and all it contains for all men and all peoples so that all created things would be shared fairly by all mankind under the guidance of justice tempered by charity”360. This principle is based on the fact that “the original source of all that is good is the very act of God, who created both the earth and man, and who gave the earth to man so that he might have dominion over it by his work and enjoy its fruits (Gen 1:28–29). God gave the earth to the whole human race for the sustenance of all its members, without excluding or favouring anyone.
It's hard to argue against this
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