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poor people.....the back bone of the american economy!

Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:32 pm
Posted by tedmarkuson
texas
Member since Feb 2015
2592 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:32 pm
KASICH: Well, I mean, so what?

Then get -- if you can't take a fastball on the inside, get out of politics. If you can't take a pitch thrown at you, and you can't get out of the batter's box, quit. Don't -- don't -- don't whine.

And I don't think Senator Heller is whining. But I also want to say that not only Heller, but Sandoval, Brian Sandoval, is a great governor. His popularity is sky-high in Nevada. And you know what he's saying? I'm worried about poor people.

You know what? Both parties, both parties ought to be worried about poor people, because I don't think either party particularly cares about helping poor people.


for the love of god john leave the republican party go home democrat. your daddy was a mailman!

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Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:35 pm to
He's terrible.

Trump speaks to populist concerns and tries to create jobs while cutting off the limitless supply of foreign labor our "poor people" now have to compete against.

That is literally the only way you will see wage growth for the lower classes. Bernie Sanders also knows this, but doesn't have the balls to say it anymore. If the poor have to compete against limitless global labor pool, they will eventually get to a third-world living standard. It is simple economics.

Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:54 pm to
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...instead of people just confessing their loyalty to one party or the other, maybe they ought to be confessing their loyalty to the country.
the majority of people in both parties, the politicians and the voters, care about "winning" at all costs, even if they dont like the thing they won. often its simply more about the other side "losing" than it is them "winning".

and since the "values" of a party are often all over the place, or simply change, what does that say about you? what exactly is it that you believe in? do you even know?
Posted by tedmarkuson
texas
Member since Feb 2015
2592 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:22 pm to
i believe in a growth economy that elevates everybody that makes good choices. not one that rewards horrible choices and tells them that, well the odds are stacked against you.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5189 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:53 pm to
what is this guy talking about? what is it over a trillion dollars spent on entitlement programs?

at least one of the parties must care about the poor wouldn't you say?

that's such a nutty thing to say and not based in fact

it might be more accurate for him to say neither of the parties cares about the middle class, there might be some truth in that statement
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:33 pm to
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i believe in a growth economy that elevates everybody that makes good choices.
as a general rule, i do as well. "good choices" is a very vague term, however.

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not one that rewards horrible choices and tells them that...
no one is in favor of people working the assistance programs, but why do you assume that most if not all people who get government assistance got there because of "horrible choices".

you can do everything right and still fail. sometimes people just have bad luck. sometimes they get fricked over. sometimes they have health issues.

its important to help people when they need help.

im the atheist here, im supposed to be the one with no morals who doesnt give a frick about anyone but myself, so why is it that so many Christians on this board would simply tell those people to frick off?
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46121 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:39 pm to
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for the love of god john leave the republican party go home democrat. your daddy was a mailman!


I remember pre-Trump, I would watch Kasich on Fox News and he was pretty good. Once Trump decided he was going to run for POTUS Kasich and many other conservative talking heads completely went off the deep end. George Will, Krauthammer, Beck, Levine, all the Bush's, Romney, etc. Trump exposed them all as conservative wannabees.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:18 pm to
This would've been true before Lyndon Johnson's Great Society (and to a lesser extent, FDR).

Poor Americans used to work their arse off.

Showing up at McDonalds for a few hours a day to earn money to party on while the government pays for you and your illegitimate child to eat and be housed, isn't quite the same.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32683 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:26 am to
John kasich sucks. Wtf is he even talking about.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67942 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:42 am to
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its important to help people when they need help.



agree that charity is a wonderful and good thing

welfare =/= charity
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:49 am to



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Showing up at McDonalds for a few hours a day to earn money to party on while the government pays for you and your illegitimate child to eat and be housed, isn't quite the same.



In the scenario you presented the McDonalds owner and investors are the welfare recipient....the parent and the illegitimate child (as if legitimacy has anything to do with it) are merely middle men between the taxpayer and the investor in a transfer if wealth. If the McDonalds owner were paying the actual costs of the employees production the employee would he be eligible for social welfare benefits. The
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42604 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:52 am to
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why do you assume that most if not all people who get government assistance got there because of "horrible choices".

Why do you assume otherwise? the VAST majority of the drain of welfare are the result of bad decisions - sometimes bad decisions over three generations - all made possible by the lure of the 'get stuff free' mentality engendered by the DEMs since LBJ.

This system has fostered the rise of unwed mothers - who are instantly celebrated and pampered by the system. It has seen the decimation of the self-starting ethos that has been the hallmark of American success since its inception. It has substituted faith in hard work for faith in 'govt checks' in the youth, who have gone one to reproduce two or three generations of like-minded parasites.

Yes - there are some bad-luck cases out there. But they are swamped by the leeches and professional grievance-searchers. I have seen kids who cannot absorb the simplest mathematical concepts who are absolute geniuses in the recitation of their 'rights' which to them means that no matter what they do, any problems are someone else's fault.

The old adage of a 'safety net' vs a 'hammock' is absolute truth. I feel really bad for the few people who are trying to use the safety net to get back on their feet - they are being elbowed out of the way by fat asses with sleeve tattoos, gold teeth, flashing bling, 55" flat screens, 28' rims and six kids who don't know who their baby daddy is. The only 'research' any of them perform is in finding out new 'disabilities; that they might 'qualify' for.

Almost every social ill we have in America today trace directly back to abuse of the welfare system. = and this abuse has been egged on solely by the DEM party.

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you can do everything right and still fail.

This is true - but that is the way life works - always has worked that way and always SHOULD work that way. - If you ensure that everyone succeeds regardless of how bad an idea they were working on, then you snuff out the power of good ideas to advance the common good. Just because you worked hard at a bad idea - or even an idea whose 'time has not yet come' - should not entitle you to the same success as someone whose work naturally 'paid off.' If Edison had been rewarded for his initial failures - and he had thousands of them - then we the public may still not have the light bulb.

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sometimes people just have bad luck. sometimes they get fricked over.

And there is nothing wrong with helping these folks out - temporarily - until they get back on their feet. It is wrong to begin celebrating their bad luck and setting them up for a lifetime of hammock rest. Only the very strongest of self-starters can resist that siren's call. Only a malicious government can make it happen - but even the government cannot make it succeed. The end result of this scheme is reduced prosperity for everyone - and more sharing of the misery associated with dysfunction.

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sometimes they have health issues

Everyone should have catastrophic health insurance - paid for by themselves. If they choose to not take care of this important self-preservation solution, then they should be treated no more sympathetically than a person who speeds down the wrong side of the freeway with their lights off during a rainstorm.

There should be charity hospitals where these people can be treated if they cannot afford to provide their basic survival needs. Privately funded charity hospitals have long been provided by religious organizations. If that is insufficient, then there should be 'intern hospitals' set up to take care of indigent people's basic needs - but no pampering of lazy idlers.

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its important to help people when they need help.

There is no argument about this. Conservatives are just as considerate for people who need help as are 'progressives' - and I would say more so. Conservatives are doing it with their own money out of the goodness of their character, while 90% of 'progressives' are signaling that they want the 'rich' guys to do it and all they participate in is registering them as DEMOCRATs.

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im the atheist here, im supposed to be the one with no morals who doesnt give a frick about anyone but myself, so why is it that so many Christians on this board would simply tell those people to frick off?

You are wrong in just about every phrase of the above rant. Your atheism is a cross you must bear - and I hope it serves you well in the last minute of your life. You are confusing 'morals' with political expediency, but I know absolutely nothing about your morality, but from what you have written in this post, you seem to be pretty focused on political power rather than 'good for society' focus. That doesn't fit my definition of 'morals' which involves doing the right thing even when it doesn't benefit you directly, but especially when it works to your financial or professional detriment. For instance, I doubt you would donate one dime of your money to a person who worked to defeat your political ambitions regardless of how needy they are. Conservatives do this routinely - and almost exclusively.

There are no Christians on this board who would tell needy people to 'fuch off.' There are some who tell able bodied baby-daddies to stay in school, get a job, and take care of their children. You interpret that any way your atheism dictates.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260595 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:54 am to
He's not wrong, but we're going backwards in "helping poor people."

Free market >>> Government action.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:55 am to
Kasich is 100% accurate here. Democrats exploit the poor for their vote, Republicans allow their wealthy donors to exploit them for profits. The poor have been exploited since this country's founding, and that will always be the case.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260595 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:00 am to
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im the atheist here, im supposed to be the one with no morals who doesnt give a frick about anyone but myself, so why is it that so many Christians on this board would simply tell those people to frick off?


Who are "these people?" Poor isn't some homogenous category.

Some are poor by choice, lifestyle
Some are poor because they are just shitty humans
Some are poor because they make horrible choices
Some are poor because they are lazy
Some are poor because they are not very intelligent
Some are poor because they are physically unable to work.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54210 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:01 am to
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its important to help people when they need help.


Not when some of those are too lazy in seeking their own help and by help I'm talking about working for a living instead of mooching for a living. Our governor here in Ark. just signed a bill concerning Medicaid that a person has to show proof of seeking employment, if they are physically able to work, in order to receive Medicaid.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27140 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:06 am to
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The poor have been exploited since this country's founding,


LMAO, this is one of the few, if not the only country in the world where since its founding anyone, regardless of class, has/had the opportunity to improve their status...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260595 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:06 am to
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its important to help people when they need help.


Your "help" has created a helpless sub class.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:11 am to
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this is one of the few, if not the only country in the world where since its founding anyone, regardless of class, has/had the opportunity to improve their status...




You cannot be serious. Black people, especially in the South, didn't have that opportunity until well into the 1960's and 1970's.

But that's beside my point. There is a laundry list of ways the privileged class has worked to limit upward mobility opportunities for poorer citizens. That doesn't mean there is no opportunity, but if you think a child born into poverty has the same opportunities as a child born into the upper middle class and above, you are sadly mistaken. And that's not necessarily meant as a criticism of our society. Those opportunities will NEVER be equal. We should work to try and get them as equal as we can though.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260595 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:16 am to
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There is a laundry list of ways the privileged class has worked to limit upward mobility opportunities


Wrong. It benefits those at the top to "help" the poor.

We're not having to bring in millions of illegals to work for nothing. The opportunities are there, the desire to move up is not. Millions of people from South of the border and the far east are coming to the USA and moving up the mobility ladder with ease.
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