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re: Politics has no place in the church and vice versa.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:47 am to Machine
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:47 am to Machine
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right he hasn't taken his 200k salary in years because he makes so much money off of books.
what a great dude
Is there something wrong with him making money from books?
I'm not an Osteen fan, but man.....he doesn't take money for being pastor, only for books. I can't see one thing wrong with that.
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:49 am to WorkinDawg
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They also stay away from that pesky divorce teaching of Jesus, so it's hard to take them too seriously.
Mine doesn't. Our Church makes it pretty clear that the only acceptable reasons for divorce are laid out in the bible.
Same for mine. I've never been in a church that stayed away from the subject, although I am sure there are some out there. But making a blanket statement like that seems odd to me.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:53 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I wouldn't stay in a church where I heard political messages all the time. I go to church to find peace from the world.
Same here. I get tired of hearing it at the movies, on TV and in music. I don't want to hear politics at church all the time. I can only remember politics being brought up in any way, shape or form on two occasions ...and they were a long, long time ago.
ETA
I should add that on neither occasion was it to endorse a candidate. It was more along the lines of we should vote. No direction, just "We (as Christians) should vote.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:56 am to Haughton99
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Catholics openly support Dems (which to this day I don't understand)
You think Jesus would be a right winger?
How could you infer that from my comment? I respect the Catholic Church's view on life. It is very important to them yet they largely support pro-abortion politics. How does that imply Jesus is right-winger?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:57 am to Machine
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i'd be scared of losing everything too. have you seen his church-owned house he pays no taxes on?
Well, thta's just not true. the church does pay taxes on it.
The home is owned by Covenant Trust who will pay $260,000 in property taxes on the home valued at $10.5 million.
LINK
Unless you have a link that trumps mine, I would say GOOGLE (Bing, actually) was not your friend.
Again. I don't care for Osteen. I was just curious when I saw this exchange.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:58 am to DupontsCircle
So, Christians are supposed to go to the back of the bus when it comes to politics? You need to think twice about this, because your initial comment is null and void.
The days of secular humanism declaring that Christians are some sort of 2nd class citizens are over.
PS - We just went thru 8 years of an anti-American community agitator who was so obsessed with Islam that he even instructed the Director of NASA to promote the accomplishments of Muslims w/regards to America's space program. Compared to That, simply allowing the Christian community to have a seat at the table shouldn't bother any reasonable human being.
The days of secular humanism declaring that Christians are some sort of 2nd class citizens are over.
PS - We just went thru 8 years of an anti-American community agitator who was so obsessed with Islam that he even instructed the Director of NASA to promote the accomplishments of Muslims w/regards to America's space program. Compared to That, simply allowing the Christian community to have a seat at the table shouldn't bother any reasonable human being.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:59 am to Haughton99
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You think Jesus would be a right winger?
Actually, I think he would come closer than being a "left winger". Make your case, and then I will make mine.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:00 pm to DupontsCircle
Church defines morality and morality determines (to some degree) politics, governance, and legislation.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:03 pm to DawgsLife
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Actually, I think he would come closer than being a "left winger". Make your case, and then I will make mine.
I don't have a case to make as going from my questioning the Catholic church's moral confusion over life had nothing to do with Jesus being right or left. Am I missing something?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:10 pm to DawgsLife
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I've never been in a church that stayed away from the subject, although I am sure there are some out there.
The pastors of the churches I have been a member of/attended in the past 20 or so years don't ever seem to talk about divorce.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:16 pm to WorkinDawg
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I don't have a case to make as going from my questioning the Catholic church's moral confusion over life had nothing to do with Jesus being right or left. Am I missing something?
Not aimed at you. It was aimed at the poster who apparently thought Jesus would be a liberal.
In all actuality, Jesus did not come close to politics. However, it is without question (In my mind, anyway) that his teachings align more with conservatives than liberals.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:23 pm to Bankshot
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The pastors of the churches I have been a member of/attended in the past 20 or so years don't ever seem to talk about divorce.
It's not a common subject, and really, shouldn't be any more common than any other subject talked about or taught in church.
Our church teaches (and I believe is Biblically accurate to do so) that reasons for divorce should align with Biblical guidelines. However, we also recognize that people are not perfect, and make mistakes. Divorcees are not ostracized, nor should they be. We recognize divorce, for other than Biblical reasons is a sin, but we are all sinners. I would find it difficult to point my finger at someone who divorced for un-Biblical reasons, because I am a sinner and imperfect, too. Instead we love them and help them work through their hurt, as we do for any other sin.
I think this is the example set by Jesus while dealing with the woman caught in adultery. We also remember, that Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more." So this is not saying, No harm, no foul. merely saying that I shouldn't judge her unless I am willing to be judged by the same standards.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:36 pm to DawgsLife
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Our church teaches (and I believe is Biblically accurate to do so) that reasons for divorce should align with Biblical guidelines. However, we also recognize that people are not perfect, and make mistakes. Divorcees are not ostracized, nor should they be. We recognize divorce, for other than Biblical reasons is a sin, but we are all sinners. I would find it difficult to point my finger at someone who divorced for un-Biblical reasons, because I am a sinner and imperfect, too. Instead we love them and help them work through their hurt, as we do for any other sin.
Oh I agree. I just got to thinking about it and I can't remember a pastor covering the topic in the past 20 years. I have, however, had Sunday School teachers cover the subject from a biblical perspective.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:38 pm to DupontsCircle
the bill is total bullshite. in the last 8yrs the IRS has investigated 1 church for violation of the johnson rule and charges were not filed. the law is hollow and just gives TRUMP more alternative facts.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:40 pm to roadGator
quote:It's that way for sure. They all do it. Look at Kenneth Copeland's house. It's owned by his "ministry" too, and he pays no taxes on it either.
Can you link the tax office records for this house? I may want to share in your outrage about this. That would be way out of line for that to be a church parsonage not subject to taxes.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:34 pm to DawgsLife
Same, I never heard a plea to vote for a certain candidate.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:36 pm to airfernando
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It's that way for sure. They all do it. Look at Kenneth Copeland's house. It's owned by his "ministry" too, and he pays no taxes on it either.
They do pay Self-employment taxes on the fair market rental value of the house.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:38 pm to DupontsCircle
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Politics has no place in the church and vice versa.
Yes i agree with this 100% but even those who oppose the EO just signed dont want religion to be a thing anyway. Those are the ones that sue companies that put any religious (mostly christian) symbol in their product. That is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. In case you are wondering what that is here it is Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The athiests are trying to prohibit the freedom of religion. The same ones that are trying to take God out of the pledge of allegiance.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:38 pm to DupontsCircle
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Politics has no place in the church and vice versa.
Martin Luther King and Jesse Jackson disagree with you.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:33 pm to DupontsCircle
quote:what an absolutely textbook reply from a stupid person. Either completely miss or sidestep the point that was made, make a ridiculous boast, make assumptions about someone based on pretty much nothing, then end it all with a racial slur. That was perfect, bravo.
I would run circles around your backwoods minimum wage arse. Come here calling stupid reppin Alabama. Get out of here trash cracker.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 2:53 pm
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