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re: Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:31 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:31 pm to idlewatcher
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In essence the court ruled that the decorated cop should have visited the mosque and brought his officers with him as he was ordered to do by the city's political leaders.
wow
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:32 pm to the808bass
But let's get this case right, then get the other ones right.
Instead of getting this one wrong just so it fits with the wrong bullshite standard of the others.
Or something.
Instead of getting this one wrong just so it fits with the wrong bullshite standard of the others.
Or something.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:34 pm to genro
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But let's get this case right, then get the other ones right.
That's not gonna happen.
And I think requiring a public servant to attend a religious service/church sponsored event as a condition of employment is ridiculous, no matter what religious organization is sponsoring.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:41 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Yea I read that which is why I asked if someone beside the accused said this. He has a legit reason to lie or exaggerate, no?
It isn't credited to the accused. It looks as if the author of the story added the information. Where do you get the accused provided that information?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:42 pm to the808bass
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He did have to attend. Which is stupid. We all know that.
He had to go to prayer service? According to the court's opinion only 1 officer observed the prayer service.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:43 pm to cwill
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He had to go to prayer service? According to the court's opinion only 1 officer observed the prayer service.
He had to attend the event. Pretending to not understand doesn't make that requirement any less stupid.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:44 pm to the808bass
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And I think requiring a public servant to attend a religious service/church sponsored event as a condition of employment is ridiculous, no matter what religious organization is sponsoring.
So they can't order their officers to perform community outreach?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:45 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Well, he did provide this:
quote:In his official fricking complaint, he went on a 5-page anti-Muslim rant that had nothing to do with the event
Two weeks later, Fields amended his complaint, this time naming the City of
Tulsa, Chief Jordan, and Deputy Chief Webster as defendants, individually and in their
official capacities. It alleged that they had violated his First Amendment right to free
exercise of religion, the Establishment Clause, his right to freedom of association, and the
Equal Protection Clause. Although largely irrelevant to the claims, the complaint also
contained five pages of allegations about “shariah-adherent” Islam and the Islamic
Society, with references to “jihad” and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:45 pm to cwill
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So they can't order their officers to perform community outreach?
They shouldn't require attendance at religiously-oriented/sponsored events as a condition of employment. However you want to paint that with your weighted words is up to you. The patently obviously point is still patently obvious.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:46 pm to cwill
I would have gone and brought me a bacon sandwich for lunch and then take a nice crap in the middle of it.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:49 pm to genro
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:55 pm to genro
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The court filing says of the 150 cops who attended the event, only one stayed for the prayer service. Seems like it really was a "come and go" atmosphere.
BOOOOOOMMMMM
Boom, Boom, boom.
Fire the COP. Picked a fight and lost. Too bad.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:55 pm to the808bass
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The patently obviously point is still patently obvious.
wrong. and the courts agree.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:57 pm to the808bass
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He had to attend the event. Pretending to not understand doesn't make that requirement any less stupid
He had to attend a community cookout. NOT A PRAYER SERVICE.
ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:57 pm to the808bass
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He had to attend the event. Pretending to not understand doesn't make that requirement any less stupid.
Maybe we have a misunderstanding...he was ordered to attend an event where he could observe a prayer service or only eat some baklava and interact with part of his community. I guess you just have a problem with the fact he had to even show up?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:59 pm to the808bass
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They shouldn't require attendance at religiously-oriented/sponsored events as a condition of employment. However you want to paint that with your weighted words is up to you. The patently obviously point is still patently obvious.
You're getting to down in the weeds as did this officer. The dept had a community outreach policy. He received orders accordingly, he refused to obey...he suffered the consequences. I have no sympathy for gov workers, especially cops.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:02 pm to the808bass
quote:From the court decision:
Yeah. I get that. I'm just reasonably sure that they wouldn't have done the same for an event at a Baptist church that had a sermon in the middle.
quote:So yes, and they did so over 350 times in a 7 year time frame.
For more than 23 years TPD had engaged in community policing, in which it
participated in events to build trust with the local community. As part of that mission,
TPD accepted requests to attend about 3,500 community events between 2004 and 2011.
Some 327 of those events were at religious venues or institutions affiliated with religious
faiths, and between 2009 and 2011 there were an additional 25 meetings attended by
community-education officers at religious venues or sponsored by religious
organizations.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:12 pm to mmcgrath
And how many officers were required to attend those events as a condition of employment?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:17 pm to the808bass
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And how many officers were required to attend those events as a condition of employment?
Dude. You are being intentionally obtuse.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:18 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
No, I'm not. The issue isn't whether or not the police attend religiously affiliated events. The issue is whether or not it's a condition of employment.
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