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Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:52 pm
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The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma, punished one of its own veteran police commanders for his refusal to attend a Muslim religious service being held at a mosque he said practiced radical Islamic dogma, according to court records. He also "dared" to refuse to order his officers to visit a mosque he alleges has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Captain Paul Fields said he was told to participate in what he characterized as a "proselytizing" Islamic worship service and that he must also order the police officers under his command to also attend and participate in the service. As a result he was relieved of his command and was harassed by the Internal Affairs Division (IAD), a group called the "rat squad" by most American cops in a majority of law enforcement agencies.
"Once some IAD squad begins to investigate you, even if you have an immaculate record as a cop, they dig until they find something that they can point to as being misconduct or corruption," said former police detective Sid Franes, who worked with a former IAD lieutenant in New York. "In Fields' case it appears they were claiming he was prejudiced against Muslims and he wasn't fit to lead police officers," Franes added.
When Fields took legal action against his police department, it ended up before the federal judges who sat on the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals and the court upheld the punishment of Capt. Fields. In essence the court ruled that the decorated cop should have visited the mosque and brought his officers with him as he was ordered to do by the city's political leaders.
"Here is another example of lawyers wearing black robes telling Americans what church services they must attend. Would they have ruled this way if it were a Muslim being ordered to attend and participate in a religious service at a Hindu temple? Or at a Catholic Cathedral? I think not," notes former police lieutenant and campus police chief Lloyd Herrington. "Fields was part of an object lesson to follow a politically-correct orthodoxy that's taking over the nation and its public and private sector institutions," Herrington said.
The event, which was scheduled for Friday, March 4, 2011, which the Islamic leaders said was a "holy day," was also going to familiarize the cops with a white-washed version of Mohammad's life as well as key elements of the Muslim religion and prayers. Originally, the police officers were asked to attend voluntarily, but the majority of officers refused the invitation. At that point the police were mandated to show up at the mosque.
According to Thomas More attorneys and Capt. Fields, the mosque's clerics were clever in hiding their suspected radical-brand of Islam. For example, according to the law center, the same Muslim leaders had hosted a dinner to honor one of unindicted Imam Siraj Wahhaj co-conspirators involved in the 1993 bombing in New York City at the lower-level of the World Trade Center, that killed six people and injured many others.
Fields and his legal team possess evidence that the same Siraj Wahhaj told Muslims in New Jersey in 1992, that he wished Muslims were cleverer politically so they could take over the United States and replace its Representative-Republic government with a caliphate and Shariah law.
The double standard is rich
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10th Circuit Court of Appeals Decision
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:55 pm to idlewatcher
Hopefully he appeals to SC
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:55 pm to idlewatcher
Doesn't seem like he could be forced to attend a religious service.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:56 pm to idlewatcher
I'm curious as to what the exact event was, and why they were required to go.
ETA: Didn't think the link would work at the office. Here's what it says:
Sounds like he shouldn't have been forced to go.
ETA: Didn't think the link would work at the office. Here's what it says:
quote:It sounds like he should have just gone and complained later. It was mandatory, and losing your job over not doing something mandatory isn't exactly unexpected. I'd really need to know what was said and why the event was being held.
The Muslim event was characterized as the mosque's Law Enforcement Appreciation Day, but it allegedly had nothing to do with appreciation of police officers. According to Fields' attorneys, Law Enforcement Appreciation Day involved the captain and his officers taking a tour of the mosque, attending a meeting with the mosque's leadership, attending the Muslim's weekly prayer service, acquainting the police officers with Islamic religious reading material, and lectures on Islamic beliefs.
Sounds like he shouldn't have been forced to go.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:01 pm to idlewatcher
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Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque
You're such a liar.
Let's see what the ruling actually says:
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Paul Fields, a captain in the Tulsa, Oklahoma, police department, filed a civil- rights complaint under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 against the City of Tulsa; Charles Jordan, the Chief of Police; and Alvin Daryl Webster, the Deputy Chief of Police (collectively, Defendants). The suit challenged his punishment for objecting to an order requiring him either to attend or to order subordinates to attend a law-enforcement appreciation event hosted by the Islamic Society of Tulsa. (We refer to this order as the “Attendance Order.”) He claimed that the punishment violated the First Amendment prohibitions against impairing the rights of free exercise of religion and of association as well as the prohibition against the establishment of religion.
So he was punished for for objecting to an order requiring him either to attend or to order subordinates to attend a law-enforcement appreciation event hosted by the Islamic Society of Tulsa.
If you'd like to argue what actually happened, then do so.
But don't make shite up.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:04 pm to Jay Quest
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In 2010 the FBI notified the Islamic Society of a threat against it. Over the following months TPD worked to protect the mosque and the school next door. When the threat was over, the Islamic Society decided to hold an event to thank TPD for its help.
How dare they thank the police department!
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:06 pm to idlewatcher
Cop seems like an overdramatic attention whore.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:07 pm to Vegas Bengal
They didn't want to go, then they were MANDATED to go, he didn't go. What's the problem?
I wouldn't step foot in a Mosque either, unless it was to throw pigs blood on the worshipers.
I wouldn't step foot in a Mosque either, unless it was to throw pigs blood on the worshipers.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:08 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:What's the difference? He was ordered to go or he had to order an underling to go?
So he was punished for for objecting to an order requiring him either to attend or to order subordinates to attend a law-enforcement appreciation event hosted by the Islamic Society of Tulsa.
You see such a difference in that that you call a fellow poster a liar?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:09 pm to Vegas Bengal
A thank you and a forced tour of a mosque are quite different or are you unable to see?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:16 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I wouldn't step foot in a Mosque either, unless it was to throw pigs blood on the worshipers.
Would you ever be friends with a Muslim?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:21 pm to mouton
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Would you ever be friends with a Muslim?
If they bathe and I don't have to pay a Jizya
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:23 pm to Vegas Bengal
They were forcing government workers to attend a Mosque. U do not see the problem because you to not wish to see the problem.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:25 pm to themunch
quote:Seriously.
They were forcing government workers to attend a Mosque. U do not see the problem because you to not wish to see the problem
A student saying a voluntary prayer during a valedictorian speech is government endorsement of religion, but forcing a government worker to attend a religious service is not?
IMO everything else the mosque people wanted to do was fine. I draw the line at forcing people to attend worship services.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:29 pm to L.A.
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but forcing a government worker to attend a religious service is not?
The quoted judges ruling from above makes no mention of any religious service. Where are you getting this from (besides the accusing officer)?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:33 pm to onmymedicalgrind
From the article:
And I'd like to see VB's response to this section:
quote:It may not have been fully true (someone may be exaggerating), but even having at a mosque and forcing public servants to attend is wrong.
The Muslim event was characterized as the mosque's Law Enforcement Appreciation Day, but it allegedly had nothing to do with appreciation of police officers. According to Fields' attorneys, Law Enforcement Appreciation Day involved the captain and his officers taking a tour of the mosque, attending a meeting with the mosque's leadership, attending the Muslim's weekly prayer service, acquainting the police officers with Islamic religious reading material, and lectures on Islamic beliefs.
The event, which was scheduled for Friday, March 4, 2011, which the Islamic leaders said was a "holy day," was also going to familiarize the cops with a white-washed version of Mohammad's life as well as key elements of the Muslim religion and prayers. Originally, the police officers were asked to attend voluntarily, but the majority of officers refused the invitation. At that point the police were mandated to show up at the mosque.
And I'd like to see VB's response to this section:
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The law center's lead counsel, Richard Thompson, said in a statement: “This case is another startling example of applying a double standard when Christian civil rights are involved. If this were a Catholic or Protestant prayer event, I am positive no Muslim police officer would have been ordered to attend. Further, no federal court would have approved the punishment of a Muslim officer had he refused to attend.”
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:45 pm to idlewatcher
The religions of the officer or the event shouldn't matter.
No one's employer should be able to force someone to attend an event at any house of worship.
No one's employer should be able to force someone to attend an event at any house of worship.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:46 pm to mouton
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Would you ever be friends with a Muslim?
Why would you want to?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:48 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:Because all industry is state property right?
No one's employer should be able to force someone to attend an event at any house of worship.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:49 pm to genro
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genro
Yea I read that which is why I asked if someone beside the accused said this. He has a legit reason to lie or exaggerate, no?
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