Please help me shred apart my father's defense of liberalism

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If you are asking the help of others and can't stand alone in defense of your own beliefs and counter-attack your father's defense of liberalism, it's time to look in the mirror.

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There is no shame in asking for help in this regard or in any other. I doubt anyone here came about their convictions in a vacuum, and at the very least the OP is asking (and arguing) in good faith when he doesn't have a solid answer. Better to ask than to assert when you aren't sure of your answers, even if you feel intuitively that you are right.

Some of the worst parts of America are ran by people with liberal ideas.

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I don't know how to attack this argument's logic, because it seems to make sense in some regard

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If people vote to take your money to give to the less fortunate in the name of keeping peace or in the name of helping the less wealthy, this is immoral. You don't get to take people's things because you have less and you especially dont get to vote to tell the largest monopoly on force to do your dirty work for you.

I don't think those ideas are relegated to a particular political ideology. We've developed these ideals and practices through a couple thousand years of trial and error. I would say that we typically placate the most vulnerable of our society to prevent upheaval but we should also be aware that preventing people from providing for themselves and thriving in an unhindered manner is also important. In other words, stopping the advancement of one to provide for the necessities of another needs to have a balance that generally favors the producers.


Also, is he speaking to the classic definition of liberalism or the modern American version?

policy, specifically government policy reinforces behaviour(s)

government should establish policies that are aimed at, designed to encourage people to be self sustaining, self reliant, this is the kind of populace that is desirable, government should not establish policies that encourage people to be dependent. the more dependencies that are built in to the system, the more people will use and abuse it and become addicted to it

I reject on its face the entire premise that society/government should accept/encourage a dependent class

further, it is a basic tenet of governance that sending taxed dollar bills to a centralized government, which dollar bills are siphoned off all the way up and then again all the way down only to be given right back to your neighbor whom qualifies for some federal assistance program, is a terribly inefficient way of wealth distribution and establishes a permanent bureaucracy that is a cancer on society and in government

You get more of what you subsidize.

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