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re: Opponents of GMOs just need to sit down and shut up
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:03 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:03 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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The problem with forcing farmers to label GMO is that you are hurting their business/livelihood simply because the general public is pretty dumb. Let the organic and non-GMO folks label their stuff as such and market all they want. Don't force the family farmer who survives because of increased yields thanks to GMOs, to go bankrupt defending his safe product to a bunch of dummies.
Its really that much work to know whether your crops are GMO or not?
I know quite a few farmers, and they know what they are planting.
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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one of those great examples of liberals hating science
I didn't know this was a liberal vs. conservative thing. The people I know that are most outraged by GMOs and monsanto are hardcore conservatives. They usually two the party line so I figured it was a thing that transcended political affiliation.
I personally haven't bothered to get up to speed on the topic and have no dog in the fight.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:04 pm to Asgard Device
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Asgard Device
Where do you shop for groceries and what do you buy?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:08 pm to rbWarEagle
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Where do you shop for groceries and what do you buy?
Oak Point.
I'm just not sure that modifying a plant's genetics makes it harmful. I'd need to see some science behind it, but like I said - I haven't bothered to go deep into the topic. I was just commenting that I didn't notice a liberal/conservative split on the topic - except that I'm sure establishment Republicans are more likely to defend the large corporations like Monsanto.
I've seen stories about trademarked GMO seeds infiltrating smaller farms nearby and somehow Monsanto was able to sue them or whatever and that kind of shite really bothers me but again, isn't really germaine to the science behind whether GMO is good or bad.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:09 pm to rbWarEagle
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Key words. I think it's important to let consumers be aware of what they are ingesting. I don't think people are dumb for being cautious about something we have yet to truly understand.
Maybe it's just my viewpoint, working with the general public on topics they have little understanding of (medicine). I'll go back to the example of vaccines. Just because you personally don't know how they work doesn't mean that researchers and the professionals who deliver the care (or in the case of GMOs, deliver the products), don't know what they mean. In the case of vaccines it just took one B list celebrity for thousands of adults to question the legitimacy of vaccines. Children have unnecessarily died because of people exercising "caution" due to bad info. I understand what you are saying, you'll just have to forgive me for not thinking highly of the "average" adult
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:17 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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The problem with forcing farmers to label GMO is that you are hurting their business/livelihood simply because the general public is pretty dumb. Let the organic and non-GMO folks label their stuff as such and market all they want. Don't force the family farmer who survives because of increased yields thanks to GMOs, to go bankrupt defending his safe product to a bunch of dummies.
The farmer doesn't sell to the people/consumer. The farmer sales to the distributor/market at a price...you guessed it, a regulated "market" price.
The farmer has NOTHING to do with labeling. He grows it and it is gone. Not sure why you think the farmer would have to pay extra to label it.
See you are backwards....you want GMO to be the norm and everyone else be forced to label their product "organic" or "non GMO"....why should it not be the GMO stuff that has to be labelled? It is the modified product...you should have to tell me you modified it and the long term health implications are uncertain.
Think about drugs, do natural remedies have to have strict health warnings? Or do the man made narcotics come with strict warnings, labellings, etc?
By the way, organic and GMOs aren't even in the same boat.
Also, read up on milk cows and how they alter their milk production...read up on the difference between natural milk qualities and the alter cow's milk..
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i believe the burden of consumer choice should be on the consumer
If we're talking strictly GMO, I agree, although to get GMO label some oversight is needed from a governing body, state level for local goods, federal for national goods.
As far as ingredients in goods, As soon as one kid with with severe peanut allergies dies due to trace amount of peanuts in product "x" with no mention of it on label, it would be more costly to manufacturers & retailers than simply putting ingredients on label.
You'd probably have a little more horse in your diet than you might have thought
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:19 pm to Hawkeye95
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Its really that much work to know whether your crops are GMO or not?
It's not about the cost of labeling the product itself. It's about the loss of income that comes with decreased sales due to fear mongering, and the increased costs associated with educating a very uneducated general public. And don't forget the campaign costs every time one of these bills (like WAs 522) pops up. I know in WA a recent bill would have cut my brother-in-law's income as well as cost the state money if it had passed.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:21 pm to reverendotis
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Monsanto, at least call it the right thing if you are going to rail against it.
agreed, I had a M family's spelling and I let it go at that....thanks
points remain....and I don't remember railing against it. I did bring up political aspects about it....is that what you are referring to?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:23 pm to GeeOH
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Montesano
Tell me more about this company that employs a lot of your friends. I've never heard of it, but I can tell you know a lot about it.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:28 pm to GeeOH
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The farmer doesn't sell to the people/consumer. The farmer sales to the distributor/market at a price...you guessed it, a regulated "market" price. The farmer has NOTHING to do with labeling. He grows it and it is gone. Not sure why you think the farmer would have to pay extra to label it. See you are backwards....you want GMO to be the norm and everyone else be forced to label their product "organic" or "non GMO"....why should it not be the GMO stuff that has to be labelled? It is the modified product...you should have to tell me you modified it and the long term health implications are uncertain.
Your first point is not entirely true. Especially in states where the produce is grown in state. Farmers often sell directly to the grocer or are the seller themselves. Again, labeling isn't the cost. Marketing GMO safety to a dumb public and loss of sales decrease the "market" prices you are speaking of. In those cases that is how the farmer loses money.
And 80% of what you eat contains an ingredient that has been Genetically Modified. So you are right, I don't want to see the huge majority bend over for the minority of products that don't contain GMO in their ingredients.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:29 pm to Hawkeye95
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but I am close to 100% organic
You do realize "organic" food is just a big scam don't you.
for someone who pretends to be so health focused, you've fallen for one of the biggest marketing scams in history.
Do a little research and learn how stupidly easy it is to call something organic, when many times it is no differnet that the evil non-organic food the peasants eat.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:36 pm to memphis tiger
I didn't realize organic and GMO were mutually exclusive. I don't get the science behind that, but oh well.
Learn something new every day..
Learn something new every day..
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:36 pm to ItNeverRains
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although to get GMO label some oversight is needed from a governing body, state level for local goods, federal for national goods.
why?
hell, as even noted in here, people have issues with how the FDA labels organic foods. there are private agencies that certify products are (organic, non-GMO, etc) already. use those
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:39 pm to Asgard Device
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I didn't realize organic and GMO were mutually exclusive.
I never said they were. I was reffering to someone else who was bragging about how healthy he is and only eats pure organic food, which is big scam.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:42 pm to memphis tiger
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I never said they were.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I really didn't know they were mutually exclusive - I was going to zing you guys but I looked it up and apparently food can't be labeled as "Organic" if it is GMO's.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:45 pm to Asgard Device
That's interesting, didn't know that either.
What I find mist fascinating is that there are so many people who swear by "organinc" food, when there is no real definition as to what can or can't be labeled "organic.
And by definition, all (or nearly all) food is organic.
What I find mist fascinating is that there are so many people who swear by "organinc" food, when there is no real definition as to what can or can't be labeled "organic.
And by definition, all (or nearly all) food is organic.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:47 pm to memphis tiger
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You do realize "organic" food is just a big scam don't you.
for someone who pretends to be so health focused, you've fallen for one of the biggest marketing scams in history.
Do a little research and learn how stupidly easy it is to call something organic, when many times it is no differnet that the evil non-organic food the peasants eat.
a) Yes, I realize the FDA rules are terrible for organic. I eat very little processed foods, so for the most part the USDA label is meaningless to me.
b) What I am most worried about is pesticides. And organic food has less pesticides and herbicides than non organic food.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:48 pm to memphis tiger
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I was reffering to someone else who was bragging about how healthy he is and only eats pure organic food, which is big scam.
I was not bragging.
And I figured it wouldn't be something that most people on this board support.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:51 pm to Gray Tiger
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Good for you. I'd love to see your farm where you produce each and everything you eat so you don't have to depend on that evil American food industry.
That is a bit extreme. while there may be plenty of over reaction from some consumers, there is plenty of reason to be skeptical of food producers.
American society is certainly advanced enough to want more info on food labels without punishing starving people in other countries.
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