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re: Opponents of GMOs just need to sit down and shut up
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:08 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:08 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What is your supposition as to what it might do to your body?
I don't know what it would do to my body, thus my hesitancy. Its good enough for starving people, but not for rich white men (or this one).
I am very conscious about what I eat and drink, I would prefer not to take risks even if the risks are relatively low.
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:10 am to GeeOH
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So you have data that shows because of GMO's, world hunger is less?
have you ever heard of Norman Borlaug? he's credited with saving over a billion lives
LINK
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Borlaug, now in his late eighties, is a plant breeder who was born in Iowa, in 1914. The vast majority of his professional life has been spent living and working in the developing countries of the world--Mexico, Pakistan, India, China, and most recently, regions of Africa.
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Little did Ehrlich know that Borlaug and his team were already engaged in the kind of 'crash program' he had declared would never work. Working in Mexico, they had developed a special breed of dwarf wheat that resisted a wide spectrum of plant pests and diseases and produced two to three times more grain than the traditional varieties.
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Borlaug's team began teaching local farmers in the region how to cultivate this new strain of wheat properly, in both India and Pakistan. Borlaug's work is credited with sparking what has come to be known as the "Green Revolution" in these countries, defying all predictions and achieving an astounding increase in the production of wheat within the span of a few years.
Since Ehrlich's dire predictions in 1968, India's population has more than doubled, its wheat production has more than tripled, and its economy has grown nine-fold. By 1974 India was self-sufficient in the production of all cereals. Pakistan progressed from harvesting 3.4 million tons of wheat annually when Borlaug arrived to around 18 million today, India from 11 million tons to 60 million.
In the mid-1980s, India even entered the world export market for grains. Soon after Borlaug's success with wheat, his colleagues at the Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research developed high-yield rice varieties that quickly spread the Green Revolution through most of Asia.
Not only did Ehrlich's predictions of hundreds of millions of deaths in massive famines prove to be false, India fed far more than 200 million more people, and was close enough to self-sufficiency in food production by 1971. (Ehrlich discreetly omitted his prediction about that from later editions of The Population Bomb.)
According to Gregg Easterbrook writing in The Atlantic, "perhaps more than anyone else, Borlaug is responsible for the fact that throughout the postwar era, except in sub-Saharan Africa, global food production has expanded faster than the human population, averting the mass starvations that were widely predicted. The form of agriculture that Borlaug preaches may have prevented a billion deaths."
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:12 am to MJM
quote:What does that have to do with GMOs?
Cute. They should have included the stat for deaths due to obesity from eating processed crap.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:14 am to Hawkeye95
quote:There are risks to regular grown stuff. In fact, sometimes, the risks are greater. It's just not "new" and people are generally more afraid of "new" risks than of old ones.
I am very conscious about what I eat and drink, I would prefer not to take risks even if the risks are relatively low.
It's a human quirk.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:16 am to deltaland
quote:Not true.
They are nothing but genetic crosses to make crops produce more.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:18 am to ShortyRob
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There are risks to regular grown stuff. In fact, sometimes, the risks are greater. It's just not "new" and people are generally more afraid of "new" risks than of old ones.
Yes, of course. our food supply is not particularly safe IMHO.
I know I am probably one of the few people on this board that does this but I am close to 100% organic (hard when eating out), I eat almost no processed foods, and during the summer I grow most of my own vegetables. I also watch what oils I cook with, and how I cook my food. I am a big DIYer.
I am probably going overboard, but I have had 3 people die in my life from weird shite in the last 2 years. The wife of one of them 100% blames diet for the cause of her husband's death.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:22 am to Hawkeye95
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Hawkeye95
You in Iowa? Will the inane corn lobby there ever get reined in?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:24 am to Hawkeye95
Women have been known to blame autism on vaccines too, you vaccinate your kids?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:24 am to Hawkeye95
quote:Meh. It's probably safer than it's been in all of history.
Yes, of course. our food supply is not particularly safe IMHO.
quote:Waste of effort and money.
I know I am probably one of the few people on this board that does this but I am close to 100% organic (hard when eating out),
quote:Good.
I eat almost no processed foods,
quote:Well. If he ate a bunch of processed shite, she might be right.
The wife of one of them 100% blames diet for the cause of her husband's death.
If she blames not being 100% organic, she's an idiot even if a well meaning one.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:31 am to Y.A. Tittle
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You in Iowa? Will the inane corn lobby there ever get reined in?
Not anymore.
And no.
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Women have been known to blame autism on vaccines too, you vaccinate your kids?
I do not have kids, but if I did, I would totally vaccinate them. There is very little risk for me not eating GMO foods, but not vaccinating your kids is just fricking stupid. And puts a lot of people at risk.
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Meh. It's probably safer than it's been in all of history.
Its probably safer now than it was 15 years ago, but when food production was regionally based I think it was likely much safer. We aren't going back to then.
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Waste of effort and money.
a) its my money and my time, and honestly food is so cheap and such a small portion of my budget I doubt I would even notice the difference. And well I enjoy gardening!
b) there is a large amount of things that I believe are a waste of time and effort that are quite popular here.
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Well. If he ate a bunch of processed shite, she might be right.
he did.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:34 am to Hawkeye95
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I do not have kids, but if I did, I would totally vaccinate them. There is very little risk for me not eating GMO foods, but not vaccinating your kids is just fricking stupid. And puts a lot of people at risk.
But if you are convinced one woman's mostly ridiculous claim, why not listen to all of their ridiculous claims?
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he did.
What was cause of death?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:36 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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But if you are convinced one woman's mostly ridiculous claim, why not listen to all of their ridiculous claims?
i am not convinced of her claim, I just choose to minimize my consumption of GMOs.
There are a lot of loony people out there.
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What was cause of death?
cancer.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:40 am to Hawkeye95
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cancer.
Type?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:43 am to samson'sseed
I get that it helps feed the world, but I still believe there are issues that can arise from eating them. Perhaps not an immediate threat, but long term. I can't help but wonder if GM food is different at the molecular level. I prefer to eat local natural food and, to me, it tastes better.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:49 am to rbWarEagle
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I can't help but wonder if GM food is different at the molecular level.
You aren't sure if a plant has been GENETICALLY modified is different at the molecular level? You aren't too bright...
Regardless, that isn't even the right question to ask. You should be wondering if those differences mean anything to your health. So far the answer to that is a big fat no. The problem with forcing farmers to label GMO is that you are hurting their business/livelihood simply because the general public is pretty dumb. Let the organic and non-GMO folks label their stuff as such and market all they want. Don't force the family farmer who survives because of increased yields thanks to GMOs, to go bankrupt defending his safe product to a bunch of dummies.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Interesting read..thanks..
BUT
You do know that what he did to increase the production and what is going on today with the GMOs is completely different, right?
I'll explain in very very simple terms...let's say I wanted a taller population. Well I would start by only breeding the tallest woman with the tallest man. And keep repeating that process. Sooner or later, almost all of the people would have taller offspring and we could assume they all would be relatively healthy and normal.
But if I try to make kids taller by implanting a gene into them that wasn't natural to their genetics, it would be a crap shoot trying to figure out the long term health ramifications to the bloodline at that point.
Borlaug created special breeds, but he did so using natural process (I would imagine a kind of cross pollinating type situation) which still allows the natural process to take place.
Today, from what I am told on the subject, it is way more than that going on. I personally won't sit here and say I absolutely know GMOs will kill humans.....But I do know that knowing everything there is to know about them is more important than being forced to unknowingly ingest them.
IF they are so fantastic, why does the government have to be absolutely polluted with Montesano people? Why is every one of these committees/agencies filled with "board members"? Is that normal or necessary?
Read up on that aspect and it will raise an eyebrow or 2.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:55 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
quote:Do you really think it is simply "family farmers" with the GMO's? Plus, it would be on the distributor to label.
Don't force the family farmer who survives because of increased yields thanks to GMOs, to go bankrupt defending his safe product to a bunch of dummies.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:57 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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You aren't sure if a plant has been GENETICALLY modified is different at the molecular level? You aren't too bright...
I guess I should have expounded. I didn't mean GMO tomato vs. non-GMO tomato.
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Regardless, that isn't even the right question to ask. You should be wondering if those differences mean anything to your health. So far the answer to that is a big fat no. The problem with forcing farmers to label GMO is that you are hurting their business/livelihood simply because the general public is pretty dumb. Let the organic and non-GMO folks label their stuff as such and market all they want. Don't force the family farmer who survives because of increased yields thanks to GMOs, to go bankrupt defending his safe product to a bunch of dummies.
Key words. I think it's important to let consumers be aware of what they are ingesting. I don't think people are dumb for being cautious about something we have yet to truly understand.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:01 pm to mmcgrath
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Do you really think it is simply "family farmers" with the GMO's? Plus, it would be on the distributor to label.
Of course it isn't simple "family farmers." But the fact is that many of them are. I don't think you have a great understanding of the agricultural industry and how many fruits and vegetables make it to the grocery store and then your table.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:02 pm to GeeOH
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Montesano people
Monsanto, at least call it the right thing if you are going to rail against it.
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