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re: Opiod addicts will not be covered under TrumpCare
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:53 pm to cajunbama
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:53 pm to cajunbama
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For 10 years? You said methadone treatment was 5k a year
$5k doesn't cure a person from opioid addiction, statistically. It takes $50k of methadone treatment statistically (and suboxone monthly rates are typically the same cost, though half as long in length and of roughly the same effectiveness) to get one person to the other side of "cured."
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:09 pm to cajunbama
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Would the money spent on damages plus the cost of the remaining remaining damage be less than 56 billion? What if the cost goes down slightly? The. It's worth it from a purely financial stand point. What if it goes up slightly but helps 1000's of people?
That's why I put in the qualifier that it might not be cost effective to fight opioid addiction because the cost in fighting the problem may end up being more than the financial savings. But, at the same time you have to factor in the political and moral costs as well. Trump made this a corner stone promise to help people in areas affected by the opioid crisis. And he won't be able to abandon them without paying a price. There's a moral and political argument for fighting against the opioid epidemic.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:15 pm to cajunbama
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The alternative is to eventually lock them up and cost you more money. Why are you not concerned about that cost to you?
Whoa? Wait a minute. Why would these people need to be locked up?
We have been led to believe by the resident pro-drug-freedom-MUH-WEED crowd on here ... that drug use has NOTHING to do crime, thievery, stealing, assault, etc., etc.
Are we now admitting the obvious?
It's not against the law to be just an addict.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:17 pm to matthew25
Sadly i know so many people that have gone through those programs. Its rediculous how much they fail. At this point i say if they want to destroy their lives and kill themselves then let them. The programs are a complete joke anyways.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:21 pm to navy
This group has been running radio ads nonstop all day on the most popular non-sports AM station in the Midlands (i.e. during Beck, Rush, Hannity).
Coalition to Protect American Healthcare
The gist of the commercial is that SC's Senators need to vote NO on the AHCA because of the very topic of this thread ... i.e. that it hurts the "MOST VULNERABLE" people in the State....quoting some number like 263,000 people....which, well ... having lived here awhile ... it would be easy to believe that roughly 5% of the SC population is all doped up on something.
Coalition to Protect American Healthcare
The gist of the commercial is that SC's Senators need to vote NO on the AHCA because of the very topic of this thread ... i.e. that it hurts the "MOST VULNERABLE" people in the State....quoting some number like 263,000 people....which, well ... having lived here awhile ... it would be easy to believe that roughly 5% of the SC population is all doped up on something.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Bjorn Cyborg
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My brother is an addict and is basically lost as a human. My parents have spent a huge amount of money on multiple rehabs that have been a complete waste.
I feel your pain, my friend. Sorry for your parents and family.
My parents are basically prisoners in their own home ... knowing that if they leave ... likely none of their shite will be there when they get back.
Alternative: cut ties with your "child" ... hard for most people to do....even after dropping a metric shite ton of hard-earned savings for retirement that now won't happen.
If we are going to spend money at the Federal Level ... it should be to put out a simple and direct message:
"IF YOU frick WITH THIS shite ... YOU WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOUR LOVED ONES. YOU WILL DESTROY ANYTHING YOU EVER ARE, COULD BE, OR WILL BE. YOU WILL NOT HAVE A GOOD, FULFILLING LIFE. YOU WILL EITHER END UP IN PRISON OR DEAD TOO SOON. DO NOT DOUBT THIS."
Go ahead and mock ... but there is a lot of merit to "just saying no."
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:33 pm to navy
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And that includes family members.
So most of society. Almost everyone has an addict in their family.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:35 pm to MastrShake
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MastrShake
Great post
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:35 pm to navy
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Opiod addiction is a goddamn choice.
Such blatant ignorance.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:38 pm to OMLandshark
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Almost everyone has an addict in their family.
Yeah ... but until the ones in my family care about themselves at all .... then their problem should not be your problem or mine.
I would really hope that we can all agree that we can do absolutely nothing to help an addict that does not want to be helped. Can waste a ton of money trying, though.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:49 pm to navy
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Almost everyone has an addict in their family.
Yeah ... but until the ones in my family care about themselves at all .... then their problem should not be your problem or mine.
I would really hope that we can all agree that we can do absolutely nothing to help an addict that does not want to be helped. Can waste a ton of money trying, though.
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THIS
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:53 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Let's not get them the help they need or anything.
I'm all for getting them help....at their expense. They bought their drugs, they can buy their cure. I absolutely hate paying for other people's poor life decisions.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:54 pm to Ace Midnight
You do know that quitting alcohol cold turkey if you have been a heavy drinker for a while is extremely dangerous, yes?
I don't mean a person who had a three day binge at a LSU tailgate, I mean a serious drinker.
It's virtually the EXACT same thing with opiods.
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I don't mean a person who had a three day binge at a LSU tailgate, I mean a serious drinker.
It's virtually the EXACT same thing with opiods.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:03 pm to Mulat
I am an addict but have been sober now almost 9 years. The biggest thing is the person has to hit rock bottom. Some never do and die. I spent no time in rehab but rather went theAA/NA route. Costs a dollar if you wish to donate and builds a support structure. You don't need fancy clinics or nice rehab facilities and not a dollar of government money. So stop the enabling, stop wasting time and effort until the individual hits rock bottoms and comes to their senses.
Oh also frick big Pharma and the Pill Docs that over prescribe this shite! Waiting to see the outcome of the West Virginia lawsuits. Hopefully, the verdicts will be huge and put these companies out of business.
Oh also frick big Pharma and the Pill Docs that over prescribe this shite! Waiting to see the outcome of the West Virginia lawsuits. Hopefully, the verdicts will be huge and put these companies out of business.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:32 pm to navy
I would even be for giving addicts one shot at excellent, high quality rehab. After that, you are on your own.
Many have no desire to clean up (like my brother) but submit to rehab due to family pressures. Once there, they just go through the motions, get drugs from the other people there, or just quit.
We have no problem penalizing potential organ transplant recipients for doing damage to their bodies, such as alcoholics getting liver transplants.
Becoming an addict is 100 percent the result of bad decisions the vast majority of the time. I have seen it first hand with family members and employees.
Many have no desire to clean up (like my brother) but submit to rehab due to family pressures. Once there, they just go through the motions, get drugs from the other people there, or just quit.
We have no problem penalizing potential organ transplant recipients for doing damage to their bodies, such as alcoholics getting liver transplants.
Becoming an addict is 100 percent the result of bad decisions the vast majority of the time. I have seen it first hand with family members and employees.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:53 pm to the808bass
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You can't cure someone for less than $50k
Statements like this are why it's hard to take you seriously in this thread. You don't cure addiction in the sense that the person is not an addict anymore and can move forward in life as if they never had addiction. They can remain sober, but they will always be an addict that always has to be treated with something like a 12 step program.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:03 pm to navy
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Whoa? Wait a minute. Why would these people need to be locked up?
We have been led to believe by the resident pro-drug-freedom-MUH-WEED crowd on here ... that drug use has NOTHING to do crime, thievery, stealing, assault, etc., etc.
Talk to Jeff Sessions.
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