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re: One US air strike kills 200 civilians in Mosel
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:53 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:53 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Don't make up quotes.
Quit being dishonest. I didn't make it up. I told you its widely attributed to LeMay, something you don't seem interested in refuting.
Find a source that attributes what you said he said to him.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:54 am to Northwestern tiger
It's unfortunate, but it's collateral damage. War is not a rosy walk in the park.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:55 am to AbuTheMonkey
Warfare is a sum value objective with absolute values, there are no grey areas. The US has been fighting an ever perpetuating conflict in the ME for 27 years, Why? Because the Political Class took their eye off the ball, lost situational awareness. We became obsessed with Nation Building, trying to make a region with thousands of years of prejudices, bias against one another, inhumane and ritualistic, and came to the misled conclusion of if only they were like us. If the Political Class doesn't come to the realization that the only thing that these people understand is force, and treat this conflict with the resoluteness displayed during WW2, the US will still be fighting in the ME 27 years from now.
Collateral damage is what it is, a dirty business and people die, an absolute.
Collateral damage is what it is, a dirty business and people die, an absolute.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Don't make up quotes.
Curtis LeMay absolutely did say this. It's a well known quote.
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Asked later about the morality of the campaign, LeMay replied: "Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier.
LINK
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:56 am to WhiskeyPapa
The quote is in here.
No clue what that website was. But Google search results are full of it. Again, where is your evidence that its not true?
No clue what that website was. But Google search results are full of it. Again, where is your evidence that its not true?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:57 am to ChewyDante
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ChewyDante
Thank you, I wasn't on my laptop/couldn't find a decent place to quote it from
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:57 am to Northwestern tiger
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War crime?
Only if it was done as part of a drone strike.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:58 am to Roaad
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Hell, the circular error probability on our ICBMs (travelling thousands of miles) was around 3 feet in the late 80s.
Fired where? Kwajalein?
Nobody knows what the CEP of missile fired into the USSR or Russia might be. South to north flights were never tested and the magnetic field at the north pole is not constant.
And if you really gave what you understand the CEP to be -- that is a serious breach of national security -- one of our most closely guarded secrets.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:00 am to Northwestern tiger
OP is saying the we blew up a bunch of civilians before they could blow themselves up.
ISIS hides (like cowards) in civilian population centers. Hell they store weapons and fighters inside schools, mosques, and hospitals, so it is unavoidable that some civilians will get caught in the middle.
But the only way to end this once and for all is to kill every living person (man, woman, and child) in those areas. Of course we wont do that so we will keep pissing on a forest fire hoping it will go out.
ISIS hides (like cowards) in civilian population centers. Hell they store weapons and fighters inside schools, mosques, and hospitals, so it is unavoidable that some civilians will get caught in the middle.
But the only way to end this once and for all is to kill every living person (man, woman, and child) in those areas. Of course we wont do that so we will keep pissing on a forest fire hoping it will go out.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:03 am to ChewyDante
quote:
Don't make up quotes.
Curtis LeMay absolutely did say this. It's a well known quote.
What's his name said he wouldn't even look for the quote. If you quote someone you need to be ready to provide the source.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:04 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Again, where is your evidence that its not true?
I didn't say it wasn't true. I said you need to provide the source for it. You told me to find it myself. That is not how it works.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:04 am to hesterhamma
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War is hell!
"The Congress shall have Power... To declare War"
I must have missed the declaration by Congress.
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Do you think if ragheads were fighting on our soil they would worry about civilian casualties???
So you're saying we're no better than those we are fighting?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:15 am to Roaad
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Tragic and despicable.
Wait for it
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However. . .
There it is
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Where were these counters when Obama was in office? Where was this outrage? Did civilian casualties stop in January of 2009 and restart in mid-January 2017?
People care more about defending their party/attacking the other way more than actually using integrity to take an opinion on this and not be swayed by their party line. From Bush to Obama to Trump, we have watched this shift of opinion on civilian deaths change dependent on whichever schmuck they voted for.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 10:16 am
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:20 am to WhiskeyPapa
You aren't my English teacher. Its an internet message board. The rest of your argument was so weak I felt no need to prove myself to you. Way to make a stand though
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:38 am to Northwestern tiger
So Isis uses civilians as human shields, not our fault. It's not like we are intentionally hitting civilians. You have to be a pretty delusional libtard to think that's a war crime, especially since no libtard has given a shite about civilian casualties in 8 years.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:22 am to MrCarton
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50,000 civilians doesn't even come close to the number you would need to kill to end the war in 1 year
It was for illustration.
The point being. Killing 100k slowly over 10 years is arguably worse than just being done with it in some shorter time because at the end of the 10 years, you will NOT be done
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:25 am to ShortyRob
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because at the end of the 10 years, you will NOT be done
As we have seen since 2001
I can't believe we are still fricking around in Afghanistan. what the frick is going on?!
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:25 am to MrLarson
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Is there any way to win a war without killing a shite ton of civilians
Honest answer. No. That seems relatively impossible.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:30 am to MrCarton
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I can't believe we are still fricking around in Afghanistan. what the frick is going on?!
The penalty for helping up is far worse than the penalty for helping the other side.
Well. That, among other things.
I laugh at "hearts and minds" campaigns.
I mean. Has that worked in the history of the world?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:35 am to ShortyRob
The combined action platoon program in Vietnam was pretty much the only thing we did in that war that worked but the generals abandoned it because they didn't get to move battalions worth of troops around their chessboards and claim credit.
The surge in Iraq was a success and was pretty much a massive version of the above.
The surge in Iraq was a success and was pretty much a massive version of the above.
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