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re: Often-touted Atlanta Fed GDPNow projection has some bad news for 3Q

Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:01 pm to
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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Or maybe you need to shut up. The foremost economic experts like the former Publix employee who runs the The Conservative Treehouse and the former John Deere catalog model who runs The Gateway Pundit have not only show that Trump has done an amazing job economically, he hasn't even made a single mistake.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:05 pm to
And if you want to see something amusing just Google "The Conservative Treehouse GDP."

Here is one headline for the second quarter:

Reuters: Stunning GDP Growth Anticipated by Federal Reserve Next Quarter…
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The Atlanta Fed is predicting 4.3% growth:
Then when the first official estimate came in: [MAGAnomics – U.S. GDP Growth Doubles in Second Quarter 2017….
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In the second quarter (April, May, June) the GDP grew at a rate of 2.6%. That’s more than double the first quarters 1.2% growth rate.
Then when the most recent estimate was released

: MAGAnomics Winning – 2nd Quarter GDP Growth Revised Upward to 3%…
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Despite the good news, the insufferable MSM are still trying to bury the cause and effect.
So to recap:

1. 4.3% prediction? Amazing MAGAnomics!
2. 2.6% estimate? Amazing MAGAnomics!
3. 3.0% revision? Amazing MAGAnomics!
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:05 pm to
Every job my company had near the gulf coast shut down for at least a week. There are roughly 5000 people where I work. Multiply that by 10 just for our company alone and yes it has an impact. I would say that at least a third of the U.S. population lives within 70 miles of the gulf of Mexico coast. Not to mention up the east coast of Florida. Yes it will have an impact.
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6965 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:16 pm to
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How does a prediction go from 4% to 2.2% in a month?
2 Historical Hurricanes just hit the United States and devastated cities
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:19 pm to
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Multiply that by 10 just for our company alone and yes it has an impact
Well when we are talking trillions of dollars, even a fraction of that is a huge impact. But that doesn't make that fraction somehow bigger, and defintely not 45% of the forecasted growth.

Hurricanes Irma, Harvey will have a significant negative impact on third-quarter GDP growth
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Moody's estimates the combined cost of both storms, including property damage and lost output, at $150 billion to $200 billion.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13004 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:37 pm to
Translation: I'm praying for the economy to do poorly so I can get a democrat elected and pretend the economy is doing great when it does poorly under a democrat.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:37 pm to
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2 Historical Hurricanes just hit the United States and devastated cities
Goldman-Sachs revised it down by about 0.8%: Goldman-Sachs estimates
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"Given potentially sizeable growth effects from Harvey — and with Irma risks now moving to center stage — we are lowering our Q3 GDP tracking estimate by 0.8pp to +2.0 percent," Goldman wrote. "However, we expect this weakness to reverse over the subsequent three quarters, more than recouping the lost output."
So I think the extent of the Atlanta Fed's drop is more to do with an overly optimistic initial estimate.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:40 pm to
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Translation: I'm praying for the economy to do poorly so I can get a democrat elected and pretend the economy is doing great when it does poorly under a democrat.
Translation: The same figures that were either ignored or criticized when Obama was in office, is considered evidence of a booming economy when Trump is in office.

In other words, the economy wasn't as bad as many made it out to be over the last few years, and it's not as great as those some people are making it out to he now. Instead, it's largely the same.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90880 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:42 pm to
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Two hurricanes in very populated areas of the nation.


This. Hell 25% of the nations refining capacity has to shut down for a couple weeks. There is a large trickle effect from these things.. For example our catfish processing plant we sell fish to had to slow way down because the company that makes their packaging boxes had to shut down due to Irma.

These disasters have wide reaching effects
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:49 pm to
I don't want the economy to do poorly, and it isn't. What kind of jerk would want such a thing?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:50 pm to
That is a pretty large drop from one set of reports, makes it look like they just sin a wheel and guess.

like the CBO
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:51 pm to
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These disasters have wide reaching effects
Other than those directly impacted, the effects are probably temporary (spike in gas prices), and the broader economy will probably rebound in the coming quarters to make up for it.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:56 pm to
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That is a pretty large drop from one set of reports, makes it look like they just sin a wheel and guess.
It actually dropped from 3% in the recent report. They are now in line with the average of the other forecasts, they just had a far more optimistic initial forecast, and that was same for the Q1 (2.5%) and Q2 (4.3%). Their initial estimates would have made for an average growth of about 3.4% compared to the actual average felt of 2.1%.
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like the CBO
Actually I think it's essentially the opposite of the CBO. The CBO is bound to strict, essentially static, assumptions. So the CBO's estimates may be questionable, but I think the criticism is misplaced since they are bound by those assumptions that make estimates questionable.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 8:10 pm
Posted by Jyrdis
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Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:57 pm to
Your troll is strong.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57385 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:57 pm to

Didn't get Obamacare repealed.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10232 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:01 pm to
Meh. No one should be surprised by this. If this is actually what happens. Not trade able, don't care.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:02 pm to
it's rly not
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:05 pm to
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No one should be surprised by this.

Agreed!
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13004 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:07 pm to
I'm making more money under Trump than I was under your black Jesus.

Quit trying to convince people that didn't have economic success under Obama who are having economic success under Trump that they were actually having economic success under Obama.

Bank accounts don't lie no matter how many times you stomp your feet and say otherwise.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10232 posts
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:11 pm to
What kind of income? Wages? Owner's draw? Investments?

Very curious. Do care.
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