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Obamacare paying bonuses to DRs and Hospital to NOT treat people
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:34 am
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ACA 'Savings': Paying Doctors And Hospitals Bonuses To Deny Care To Patients
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the ACA calls for the federal government to pay physicians and hospitals bonuses if they deny health care to seniors and the disabled – and even encourages them to form local monopolies to make it harder for them to find alternative sources of care. And most patients won't even know that's the reason they are being denied care.
Section 3022 of the ACA establishes the Medicare Shared Savings Program (MSSP). The MSSP establishes the notion of Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs). These are groups of health care providers (hospitals, physicians, other providers) who join together for purposes of a obtaining bonus payments based on their participation in the MSSP and Medicare fee-for-service incentive program.
ACOs are paid to “reduce costs” for treating their patients. This sounds like a reasonable goal, but the ACO system has a number of odd and unique quirks. First of all, patients don't “enroll” in an ACO – they are assigned to an ACO ex post based on the preponderance of their utilization. That is, at the end of the year, if a patient happens to have had a plurality of care (measured by either service counts or dollars of Medicare claims), from physicians who are members of a particular ACO, then that patient is assigned to that ACO. (The methodology for assignment is detailed
here.) Not only do patients not enroll in ACOs; they might not even be aware of them, as assignments may take place after the fact.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:35 am to MButterfly
This seems contrary to what Bama(retard)Atl has been asserting.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:38 am to MButterfly
Treat patient, don't get paid.
Don't treat patient, get sued.
It's a tightrope.
Don't treat patient, get sued.
It's a tightrope.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:41 am to MButterfly
We both know this.
On a system that is over overburdened and you are forced to take a pay cut, you look for ways to get that money back. ACOs are a way to recoup some of it.
On a system that is over overburdened and you are forced to take a pay cut, you look for ways to get that money back. ACOs are a way to recoup some of it.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:45 am to Jjdoc
So, if I make less money due to market forces, I'm now allowed to screw over my other clients?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 10:46 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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So, if I make less money due to market forces, I'm now allowed to screw over my other clients?
Yes you are .... ACO
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:22 am to MButterfly
Obamacare is what it is and I would not defend it as being a top notch piece of legislation. But what people seam to miss is the fact that it was a huge undertaking to try implement a program of that complexity and size, and, once it was passed, there was no opportunity to adjust the program to try to fix the aspects that were flawed.
The repubs/cons took over in 2011, and they were not going to have anything to do with trying to improve the performance of Obamacare. They were more interested in using it as an election slogan.
The repubs/cons took over in 2011, and they were not going to have anything to do with trying to improve the performance of Obamacare. They were more interested in using it as an election slogan.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:27 am to MButterfly
In theory it encourages more efficient, cost effective care by emphasizing quality over quantity. In actual practice, it never does. It does punish physicians who care for sicker, more complicated pt's. It also doesn't factor in pt demographics. So a PCP in rural Arkansas will be compared to groups in more affluent areas. And no, we do not qualify a "rural" in Union county. So, no exemptions for us. I'll just take my licks, sit back and figure out how to game the system. Problem is we don't even know the rules and they change constantly. They are gathering data on us now in order to penalize us 2 yrs down the road. It's all bullshite.
What it will encourage is practices to dump costlier pt's and will greatly restrict access to primary care.
What it will encourage is practices to dump costlier pt's and will greatly restrict access to primary care.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:29 am to Bullethead88
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Obamacare is what it is and I would not defend it as being a top notch piece of legislation. But what people seam to miss is the fact that it was a huge undertaking to try implement a program of that complexity and size, and, once it was passed, there was no opportunity to adjust the program to try to fix the aspects that were flawed.
Exactly. It's too complicated an issue for ONE piece of legislation to fix. So those behind it are either complete dumbasses or trying to collapse the whole thing. Make it bad enough and people will BEG for socialized medicine.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:42 am to SmackoverHawg
That is the truth. The Gov wants control of it for political purposes only.
You even have part of the GOPE that is all in favor of WINNING votes via the free gift.
You even have part of the GOPE that is all in favor of WINNING votes via the free gift.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:45 am to Bullethead88
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Obamacare is what it is and I would not defend it as being a top notch piece of legislation. But what people seam to miss is the fact that it was a huge undertaking to try implement a program of that complexity and size, and, once it was passed, there was no opportunity to adjust the program to try to fix the aspects that were flawed.
The repubs/cons took over in 2011, and they were not going to have anything to do with trying to improve the performance of Obamacare. They were more interested in using it as an election slogan.
Translation. Fixing healthcare was too hard for dems to get right, so it's the republicans fault for not fixing it.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:47 am to MButterfly
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ACA 'Savings': Paying Doctors And Hospitals Bonuses To Deny Care To Patients
Another thing that makes this a bad idea is that medicare pt's can self refer. Impossible to control costs when those pt's can just self refer to a specialist or other provider is you don't do what they want. This is a huge cost driver. I think medicare should be just like Medicaid and require a pcp referral. Hell, I'm supposed to control their cost, manage their care, meet quality standards etc on pt's I cannot control referral patterns and cannot mandate they come in for visits or comply with my treatments and recommendations. Impossible. I'm ready to see these guys signing up for these ACO's get reamed. Cause that's what's gonna happen. And I'll guarantee the potential upside is waaaaaaay less than the penalties that will be incurred.
frick that. I'll just go cash only and be a walk in/urgent care, diet pill, DOT, pill mill. All "by the book".
Posted on 7/23/17 at 11:57 am to Vacherie Saint
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Translation. Fixing healthcare was too hard for dems to get right, so it's the republicans fault for not fixing it.
Based on what is happening now with Obamacare, that was a pretty dumb post.
Yea, it was too hard to fix healthcare for anyone to get it right on the first try without seeing how it translated from paper to real life.
It is certainly partly the repubs fault for not being willing to even try to fix it for 5 years.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:02 pm to MButterfly
That opinion article is bullshite and is a complete misrepresentation of ACOs. Obamacare has huge faults, but the value based care model is not one if them.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:05 pm to SmackoverHawg
I know many that took this approach:
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I'll just go cash only and be a walk in/urgent care, diet pill, DOT, pill mill. All "by the book".
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:06 pm to Bullethead88
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But what people seam to miss is the fact that it was a huge undertaking to try implement a program of that complexity and size
that wasn't fricking needed in the first place and has done nothing it said it would do
Medicaid could have been expanded and called a Medicaid expansion, which is what it boiled down to.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:06 pm to AnonymousTiger
That is a lie. It most certainly is.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:13 pm to Bullethead88
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Based on what is happening now with Obamacare, that was a pretty dumb post.
Yea, it was too hard to fix healthcare for anyone to get it right on the first try without seeing how it translated from paper to real life.
It is certainly partly the repubs fault for not being willing to even try to fix it for 5 years.
Dems in 2009: We have the fix for Healthcare! Keep your plan, keep your doctor, save thousands, everyone is covered!!!!!
Dems in 2017: Derp, it was too hard to fix healthcare for anyone to get it right on the first try without seeing how it translated from paper to real life.
And as far as your contention that republicans have failed to fix your frick up for 5 years -- I will give you the last 200 days, but it's beyond dishonest (not suprising for a guy like you) to suggest that Obama was going to sign any republican plan into law that guts his entire legacy as president.
No matter how hard you spin, dems own this shite sandwich. Republicans may very well blow it, but Obamacare will always be the biggest government scam ever to be foisted upon the people.
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