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re: NY Senator believes gun "silencers" completely silence a shot
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:35 pm to stout
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:35 pm to stout
I like how she brushes over the fact that criminals have guns in NYC despite the fact that it's illegal and says suppressors are the real culprit to gun violence 
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:36 pm to civiltiger07
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I have 4 suppressors (2) rimfire, (1) .30, and (1) .223. I do not shoot my AR-15's without having the suppressor on the rifle. The suppressor eliminates the sound of the expanding gases leaving the barrel. What you still hear is the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Which is more of a crack than a boom that people typically associate with a gun shot.
So when I am hunting with my suppressor it helps in 2 ways. First since you are containing the gases leaving the barrel the muzzle rise is almost negligible from my .223 or .300 blackout. So I am able to stay on target with my scope after pulling the trigger and look for bullet impact. Second I find that after the shot you don't have any echo so you can hear the bullet impact your target. When I take my AR hog hunting with the suppressor I can see the bullet hit the hog and hear it. So I can know for sure if I made a good shot or not.
Very cool. Thanks.
Sounds like with the current system though, you're able to get them.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:37 pm to Clames
God forbid anyone engages in discussions on a message board and asks questions.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:37 pm to TheCaterpillar
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So they don't have to wear plugs and muffs? The frickin horror.
For the record, this point sounds kind of dickish. Why do people by rolexes? A timex tells the time just the same. Why do people buy white gold instead of traditional gold? It's preference. If a suppressor serves the same purpose as ear plugs, like you're implying, what's the problem with making the process to get them easier?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:37 pm to Pettifogger
if i'm a criminal i'm not submitting my application to the fbi and waiting up to a year to be able to buy one.
i'm going to some scum bag who will illegally sell them to me no questions asked at a markup
i'm going to some scum bag who will illegally sell them to me no questions asked at a markup
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:37 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Sounds like with the current system though, you're able to get them.
The current system is an unnecessary regulation and hardship for not only the end user, but manufacturers.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:38 pm to Clames
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It's called using Google, people can't figure out the answer to a basic question or at least learn enough to be somewhat objective then they deserve the answers they get. Probably something you should think about given the content of your posts.
I didn't have an opinion because I admitted to being a novice. There are several posters here that answered without being a total prick.
I asked questions. You're quite sensitive.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:38 pm to Damone
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The current system is an unnecessary regulation and hardship for not only the end user, but manufacturers.
Makes sense.
Learned something new. Thanks.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:40 pm to DelU249
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i'm going to some scum bag who will illegally sell them to me no questions asked at a markup
Or just buy a mag light and some freeze plugs. Suppressors are extremely simple. Which is one reason that I find all of these regulations unnecessary.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:41 pm to TheCaterpillar
For example, say a couple share a vehicle. Say the husband owns a suppressor in his name and takes the vehicle to the range over the weekend and his suppressor slips out of his range bag and rolls under the passenger seat. Say Monday morning his wife hops in the car and drives to work.
The wife would technically be committing a felony by being in possession of the suppressor. She would likely be in no trouble whatsoever if an actual firearm had been left in the vehicle (depending on state laws). That is absolutely ludicrous.
The wife would technically be committing a felony by being in possession of the suppressor. She would likely be in no trouble whatsoever if an actual firearm had been left in the vehicle (depending on state laws). That is absolutely ludicrous.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:41 pm to stout
It's pretty close to the movies if you use subsonic ammo, is you could comfortably fire a round indoors without hear protection. With normal ammo it's loud as balls still
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:41 pm to stout
quote:Uuuuuhhhh. Sen Gillibrand... it's illegal for criminals to own firearms. Owning a silencer... won't matter.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:42 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Sounds like with the current system though, you're able to get them.
Yes, but this lady makes it sound like you can just attach one to every gun on earth. Most gun murders are carried out by handguns. These handguns require threaded barrels. These hoodrats are thankful when they get a shitty Hi Point, so I don't see them going out and getting threaded barrels in order to get a suppressor.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:42 pm to Ingeniero
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For the record, this point sounds kind of dickish.
As intended because he responded to simple, innocent questions with aggression. I reciprocated
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Why do people by rolexes? A timex tells the time just the same. Why do people buy white gold instead of traditional gold? It's preference. If a suppressor serves the same purpose as ear plugs, like you're implying, what's the problem with making the process to get them easier?
I am not against suppressors being easier to get.
But compared something you put on a gun to make it quieter is clearly something that has a little more significance than someone spending money on a watch.
My point was, if the argument is simply that they don't want to wear ear plugs, that is ineffective on a national stage when discussing something as controversial as firearms. The recoil argument is far, far better IMO.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:44 pm to Taxing Authority
A suppressor knocks off 30db or so. So a gun at point blank is around 160db...a suppressor takes it down to around 130db, about the sound of a jet taking off.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:44 pm to Big Chipper
Same general amount as wearing ear protection does.
I'd love to have a suppressor to hunt with
I'd love to have a suppressor to hunt with
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
It makes sense to make them easier to get.
I agree that criminals would not use this. That is stupid. I just wasn't sure why anyone else would either besides not wanting to wear hearing protection at the range.
This thread has answered that.
I agree that criminals would not use this. That is stupid. I just wasn't sure why anyone else would either besides not wanting to wear hearing protection at the range.
This thread has answered that.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:45 pm to Taxing Authority
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it's illegal for criminals to own firearms
yeah, good point. I didn't know about this scourge of suppressors about which she is speaking. I also know that it's not easy to obtain them the way the laws are now, and if you have a record, the only way you're getting one is by illegal means.Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:45 pm to civiltiger07
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Or just buy a mag light and some freeze plugs. Suppressors are extremely simple. Which is one reason that I find all of these regulations unnecessary.
Yeah, I've seen a simple oil filter used before. They're not hard to make and could manufactured by anyone with access to a machine shop.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
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You're kind of a prick, FYI.
Your wittle feelings are easily bruised, FYI.
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I've talked about it still being loud in this thread.
And yet you still questioned the utility of using a supressor, sounds like you wanted to make an argument for the arguments sake.
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So they don't have to wear plugs and muffs?
They should but you seem to forget that when a firearm is used the sound produced is rather concusive which is unpleasant when trying to dial in a rifle and having to wait between shots of those shooting to either side, especially if they are shooting full-power rifles. Shooting with a supressor and around those that do if a much better experience.
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FTR, I also said I don't know why they're hard to get.
Then you need to lookup the 1934 NFA and the history around its passing. Also, if you don't think the noise pollution is a serious issue then you should talk to the owners of ranges that are facing threats of closure due to the complaints of those living in proximity to them.
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