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Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:40 pm to Flats
That's where the potential conspiracy lies.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:41 pm to PhDoogan
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NY Post is Reporting that LE Sauces Confirmed that Epstein Hung Self in Cell
These the same officers that were taking a smoke break for hours?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:42 pm to OldManRiver
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Robin Williams hung himself on a doorknob,
Michael Hutchence hanged himself by wrapping a belt around his neck and closing the door on it.
So yeah it can be done.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:45 pm to AUstar
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Michael Hutchence hanged himself by wrapping a belt around his neck and closing the door on it.
Ummm....I don't think he was trying to kill his self, right? Wasn't that a sex game gone wrong?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:48 pm to Jake88
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it wont. We've got a perfectly good conspiracy here and the conspiracy theorists are going to have to go frick it up with all kind of fantastical bullshite. It's almost as if they want people to throw their hands up and declare this yet another load of conspiratorial foolishness.
As we're seeing it only takes one anonymously sourced article from the NY Post to drive an entire theory.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:11 pm to greygoose
quote:Yes, but close off the carotids during the sex game and you ain't waking up to relieve pressure that's shutting the trachea.
Ummm....I don't think he was trying to kill his self, right? Wasn't that a sex game gone wrong?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:20 pm to HailToTheChiz
Toxicology report may shed some light.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:24 pm to greygoose
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.I don't think he was trying to kill his self, right? Wasn't that a sex game gone wrong?
Pretty sure it was ruled suicide. There was no evidence he had one of his ho's in the room.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:25 pm to Flats
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That's one of the more laughable details of the whole mess.
Why though? People aren't on suicide watch endlessly. December of 08 I got booked on a cultivation charge, baw being processed before me tried to kill himself by bashing his throat onto a ballpoint pen held on top of the booking countertop... repeatedly. He got the turtle suit for a few days and showed up in genpop 3 days later with a big bandage around his neck.
Another jail visit, in a different county, I saw a dude jump/dive from the 2nd floor balcony onto a metal table... all jacked up on meth. He was back in under 48 hours. This county was a little more lax, despite being a place that housed federal inmates, mainly ins cases, but occasionally a few people stopping through on their way to their middle district of fl trial. We had clotheslines made from braided bed sheets. They were definitely strong enough to get the job done. You have literally nothing but time to plot in there.
And there's nothing I hate more than a water fountain/shutter combo. Knew a guy who smuggled a car jack, during transport, into his soft cast and eventually removed the toilet with the jack. Choked out his own grandma 2 hours later and went on a 2 week run, through multiple states... only to end up being caught less than 20 miles from the county jail he broke out of, trying to score drugs That dude had an IQ of potato.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:29 pm to OldManRiver
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Robin Williams hung himself on a doorknob,
he also had plenty of drugs that would make the body behave differently than normal.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:36 pm to SoulGlo
As Ive seen mentioned on here multiple times Epstein was a billionaire and wouldn't have any issue getting whatever he wants in MCC. It would follow that he would have had any and all drugs he wished.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:37 pm to MoarKilometers
The difference is that the ones you saw were suicidal while still intoxicated or coming down from intoxication. Epstein was not intoxicated and made a serious enough previous attempt that he required hospitalization. That guy's risk factors were reduced in no way over the couple of weeks he was on watch. He was still an extremely high risk and should have been left on watch.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:38 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:This is actually a common and painless way to go. Did a little research on suicide once. Not for myself obviously
Been awhile since I took physics, but I ain't buying this shite
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:12 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Again, been awhile since I took asphyxiation 101, but the reflex to save yourself is involuntary, is it not?
Not an asphyxiation major in college or anything but I am in federal law enforcement and have seen this stuff first hand.
It is involuntary to save yourself indeed, the same reason it's literally impossible to purposely drown yourself. You can swim down 30 feet with the intention of never turning back, but your body will take over and basically force you to.
I'm not saying it's impossible - as others in this thread have pointed out. Just that it would take steel determination and the ability to overcome that involuntary will to live - i.e. Epstein would've REALLY wanted to die
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:24 pm to RazorBroncs
So 0% chance suicide, 100% chance murder. That does sound much more safely reasonable.
**In spite of the several noted cases in this very thread of exactly what you say is impossible.
**In spite of the several noted cases in this very thread of exactly what you say is impossible.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:32 pm to Jake88
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The difference is that the ones you saw were suicidal while still intoxicated or coming down from intoxication.
I made 0 mention of the ball point pen throat jammer being intoxicated. Talked to him for 30 minutes or so before the event and saw 0 indications of such. But it's awesome you saw something that was not written in my statement. The skydiver was definitely not sober though.
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Epstein was not intoxicated
You have 0 idea what was or wasn't in his system. Those results take longer than the weekend, normally weeks.
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That guy's risk factors were reduced in no way over the couple of weeks he was on watch. He was still an extremely high risk and should have been left on watch.
Throw enough shite against the wall, something is bound to stick. Not saying you're wrong, but you have absolutely 0 way of definitively knowing at this moment.
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